KCLUG April 2005

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Not an April Fool
by Jonathan Hutchins 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

Wow - this is the first time I've seen a statistic like this in the year or so I've been paying attention: Number of spams : 302 ( 46.04%) Number of clean messages: 354 ( 53.96%) That's more REAL mail than SPAM!

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RE: Good Starter Language? (was Re: REALBasic and OpenAL)
by Jeremy Fowler 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

> I liked Pascal but what do you do with it? Measure pressure... What the #$@% do you think you do with it!?! Delphi 2005 kicks major ass. Nuff said. > Perl seems to be very easy to learn and yet extremely > powerful and can get very complex. But it has just > never really taken off as a mainstream language. > However, I've found a few applications that I would't > write in anything else. Perl? Might as well be writing code in Mandarin Chinese. The multitude of symbols and one character keywords sacrifices legibility for less typing. Perl is not for the faint of heart or the beginner. I for one hate having to keep a whole library of O'Reilly books by my side while I code. A good language should be intuitive and not require a ton of syntax memorization. Python is better, but not by much. > I don't really like Java but it's all the rage today. > And how many times have we all heard that the new > language was going to replace all the other languages? > Sure, it's good for a lot of things but I really > don't think I'd recommend it as a beginner language > any more that I'd make 6-year-olds use a calculator to > learn 1+1=2. I have no use for Java. > For a language that is good and introduces you to a > lot of topics and is easy to start learning and can > get very complex later as you grow you really can't > beat C or C++. C/C++/C# can get a little involved for the beginner. However, it has proven the test of time, and I have to admit I broke my cherry with C. ;-) > BASIC, in all of it's forms, I've found really stinks > IMHO. agreed.

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RE: Good Starter Language? (was Re: REALBasic and OpenAL)
by Garrett Goebel 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

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RE: Good Starter Language? (was Re: REALBasic and OpenAL)
by Jeremy Fowler 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

assembler... ;-) Learn from the inside out! Seriously though, I would say Delphi and/or Kylix. -----Original Message----- From: kclug-bounces(a)kclug.org [mailto:kclug-bounces@kclug.org]On Behalf Of Leo Mauler Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:40 PM To: D. Hageman; Kclug Subject: Good Starter Language? (was Re: REALBasic and OpenAL) If not BASIC, then what would be the programming language of choice for the beginner? Ideas accepted from all. --- "D. Hageman" <dhageman(a)dracken.com> wrote: > > I know a couple of weeks ago I posted a message > recommended a person not learn REALBasic for > their first language. I still believe in this > very much, but we do apparently have a couple > of people on this list that work with REALBasic. . And I always thought: the very simplest words Must be enough. When I say what things are like Everyone's heart must be torn to shreds. That you'll go down if you don't stand up for yourself Surely you see that. -- Bertolt Brecht __________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest _______________________________________________ Kclug mailing list Kclug(a)kclug.org http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug

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