KCLUG April 2005

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RE: Good Starter Language? (was Re: REALBasic and OpenAL)
by Garrett Goebel 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

Leo Mauler wrote: > Garrett Goebel wrote: > > Leo Mauler wrote: > > > > > > If not BASIC, then what would be the programming language > > > of choice for the beginner? > > > > That's like asking for a good tool without telling us how > > you intend to use it... > > > > What fun exciting cool thing does the beginner want to do? > > Well, I should think its obvious: learn how to program. > > There's not much else BASIC is good for. :) Which is probably the same reason so few people know Esperanto. Learn something useful. Don't learn a language you have no use for. There are horses for courses... Tell use what you want to make a computer do, and we can give you a much better recommendation as to what programming languages you should consider. -- Garrett Goebel IS Development Specialist ScriptPro Direct: 913.403.5261 5828 Reeds Road Main: 913.384.1008 Mission, KS 66202 Fax: 913.384.2180 www.scriptpro.com garrett at scriptpro dot com

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Good Starter Language? (was Re: REALBasic and OpenAL)
by Leo Mauler 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

If not BASIC, then what would be the programming language of choice for the beginner? Ideas accepted from all. --- "D. Hageman" <dhageman(a)dracken.com> wrote: > > I know a couple of weeks ago I posted a message > recommended a person not learn REALBasic for > their first language. I still believe in this > very much, but we do apparently have a couple > of people on this list that work with REALBasic. . And I always thought: the very simplest words Must be enough. When I say what things are like Everyone's heart must be torn to shreds. That you'll go down if you don't stand up for yourself Surely you see that. -- Bertolt Brecht __________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest

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Re: Good Starter Language? (was Re: REALBasic and OpenAL)
by Leo Mauler 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

<1,000 years old> Yes, I remember the good old days programming computers in B. :) --- Aaron Spiegel <spiegela(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Here we go. You may now fork this thread to > 'SUBJECT: Reminiscing Obsolete > Programming Languages'. ;) > > _______________________________________________ > Kclug mailing list > Kclug(a)kclug.org > http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug > __________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest

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RE: Good Starter Language? (was Re: REALBasic and OpenAL)
by Leonard, Phil 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

>> >How many people are programming in APL today? >> APL !! I thought I was the only one left that ever used that. I started >> with APL, APL\360 actually on an IBM 360/40. Those were the days. > >Selectric terminal on a what, 36 baud accoustic-coupled modem (we upgraded to >a hardwired one later in the year), dialed into the -experimental- Time >Sharing system in Red Hook, NY. This was the Shawnee Mission School District's 360/40. Selectric 2741 terminals ran at 134.5 baud, acoustic-coupled modem in our case. Now you know why that weird speed existed. I still have my original APL\360 book.

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RE: Good Starter Language? (was Re: REALBasic and OpenAL)
by Leo Mauler 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

Well, I should think its obvious: learn how to program. There's not much else BASIC is good for. :) --- Garrett Goebel <garrett(a)scriptpro.com> wrote: > Leo Mauler wrote: > > > > If not BASIC, then what would be the programming > > language of choice for the beginner? > > That's like asking for a good tool without telling > us how you intend to use > it... > > What fun exciting cool thing does the beginner want > to do? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

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Re: Gmail storage increase
by Jack 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

--- Brian Kelsay wrote: > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=582&e=1&u=/nm/20050401/wr_n… > > www.gmail.com starts off w/ an April Fool's joke, > but links to the new storage limit increase and > available functions story. > It has to be said. So I'll say it. "No one will ever need more than 1 GB of storage space for email." - Brian Densmore __________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest

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Re: Gmail storage increase
by Jack 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

--- djgoku <djgoku(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Doesn't look that way... only 3/4 of the 2000MB. You > are currently > using 37 MB (3%) of your 1458 MB. HA! I have 1463 MB. Nyeah, nyeah. ;'~ FYI - I have somehow accumulated 50 gmail invites. Any takers? Scratch that, now I have 1467! Whoo Hoo, now I can email myself the History of the World on video! Brian D. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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Gmail storage increase
by Brian Kelsay 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=582&e=1&u=/nm/20050401/wr_n… www.gmail.com starts off w/ an April Fool's joke, but links to the new storage limit increase and available functions story. Brian Kelsay

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Re: Not an April Fool
by Brian Kelsay 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

On this note, how has the SPAM blocking been for other Gmail users out there? I have an account and have shifted some legitimate mail over there. I have hesitated in shifting any online registrations over there though. Right now, I still use my old Hotmail acct as a "spam catcher". Anything I have to give an email address for where I think I may get spam, I allow MS to take the spam. I was a HoTMaiL user before the evil empire bought them, but the ads and crap from msn.com has gotten bad and slowed the hotmail.com to a near crawl. It may be time to drop them completely. I also have a yahoo.com and inbox.net account, and have tried many other free webmails over the years. I've probably tried all the big names that have come out. Yahoo is currently my primary email and has been working fine, but it is sometimes slow. Brian Kelsay >>> Jonathan Hutchins <hutchins(a)tarcanfel.org> 04/01/05 10:17AM >>> Wow - this is the first time I've seen a statistic like this in the year or so I've been paying attention: Number of spams : 302 ( 46.04%) Number of clean messages: 354 ( 53.96%) That's more REAL mail than SPAM!

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RE: Good Starter Language? (was Re: REALBasic and OpenAL)
by Leonard, Phil 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

>My first programming language was APL. It's an >amazing application of symbolic logic that can reduce a three-page BASIC >program to three lines of code (split into three lines mostly for >readability). Entire multi-million-dollar, multi-story computing centers >were built around the hardware that was specially designed to run it (IBM's >360/370 series). One of the first portable comuters was built to run it. > >How many people are programming in APL today? APL !! I thought I was the only one left that ever used that. I started with APL, APL\360 actually on an IBM 360/40. Those were the days.

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