KCLUG October 2007

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Hardware for sale list
by Tom Bruno 24 Oct '07

24 Oct '07

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Hello! I'm new... be nice.
by Mark Gardner 24 Oct '07

24 Oct '07

I'm new to Kansas City. I've moved here from Gallatin, (wast there 1 yr), and before that I was in Utah (going to school). Generally the local LUG is a great place to get info on local IT stuff. (duh). I have time Warner, has anyone been able to run a webserver using them or is there another company DSL/Cable that is cheaper/better. -- ~ Mark Gardner ~ I worked for Novell while in Utah so I'm a fan of SUSE (in case anyone was wondering). But I respect all distros for their strengths.

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KCAUG meeting this weekend
by Kyle Sexton 23 Oct '07

23 Oct '07

All, Just a reminder that this Sunday is the next Kansas City Asterisk User Group meeting. There will be a demo of Asterisk on off the shelf embedded devices (NSLU2 specifically). We also should have some schwag to give away! I look forward to seeing you all there. KCAUG Meeting, Sunday@2pm Daily Dose Bar & Coffee House (Northwest corner of 135th and Quivera, facing Quivera) 12056 W 135th St Overland Park, KS 66221 -- Kyle Sexton

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Re: Hello! I'm new... be nice.
by Christopher A. Bier 23 Oct '07

23 Oct '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Nope > Does that account for apache? DNS? > > On 10/23/07, Christopher A. Bier <chris.bier(a)cymor.com> wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> > On Sunday 21 October 2007 01:57:28 pm Jason D. Clinton wrote: >> > >> >> I think that was Billy's keen sense of humor. >> >> http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://www.kclug.org >> > >> > "No uptime is currently available for www.kclug.org." >> > >> > Um, yeah. >> >> up 84 days, 15:50 >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iD8DBQFHHg1mE5xXU3JS1mQRAr41AJ9s/bB8og/XoCaiL2JQ1R72yb0xRgCgi/bY >> OGFkvZadQpvplmMHCaFpeoc= >> =6KmZ >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Kclug mailing list >> Kclug(a)kclug.org >> http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHHjG8E5xXU3JS1mQRAtdbAKCLFxxKblT1LFTibLdRwaE08w7E5gCfYCNZ oLKL4Rd3+pD9QkGZcaxojwM= =lqlk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Upgrade to Ubuntu 7.10 or wait a bit?
by Leo Mauler 22 Oct '07

22 Oct '07

My system updater is bugging me to upgrade to Ubuntu 7.10. I'm interested in all the KCLUG "early adopters" experiences and whether anyone has experienced any problems with upgrading to 7.10. I generally prefer the newer versions of Ubuntu and rarely have had any problems with new versions, but a lifetime of using Microsoft products has left me with a feeling of dread about any new version of software. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Messing around with my network on Linux (looking for noob stuff, not complicated networking things that make my brain cry)
by feba thatl 22 Oct '07

22 Oct '07

First of all, today, I had a comcast tech come by. He was incredibly unsuited to working with computers (he had to hunt and peck to type...), so unsurprisingly he had absolutely no idea what Linux was. He radioed for help, and the response was "uh.. linux is like... a software". Luckily, my mom's work box runs XP, but I'd like to be somewhat more informed in the future, plus have some fun. I googled for an equivalent of ipconfig /release and /renew, and got ifconfig up/down <device>, but it sounded like this was for that device, and that I had to do something else for the router. So my question is, how would I do this for the router? (Netgear, not in the mood to check the model right now so just let me know if you need that info) I've also been screwing around with ping and found a couple computers on my network where I'm unsure of what they are. One, is there a way to tell all of the devices on my local network? The "Attached Devices" page on my router doesn't show anything-- not even my physically-connected-to-the-damn-thing-by-a-cable computer. Two, is there a way to tell what a device is with it's IP address? Like have it report some information about itself? I'm running (a bastardized) Ubuntu 7.04, if that matters. I'd also be interested in any other fun easy-to-do LAN things. I'm easily amused, I still get giddy whenever I ssh to my main box from a laptop and open a text file in nano, so there has to be other fun things to do...

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Re: Hello! I'm new... be nice.
by James R. Sissel 21 Oct '07

21 Oct '07

I've used DSL from Telocity and then DirectTV when they bought them. Switched to SBC when DirectTV pulled out of DSL. I'm now on AT&T's DSL since they bought SBC. They have a $25 a month service at 3M download. I've been running a personal web server on all of them without problems. Note: AT&T (SBC) will block port 25 unless you tell them to stop it. Comcast has recently been found killing P2P traffic.

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kc open source calendar updated
by David Nicol 19 Oct '07

19 Oct '07

http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=fiq2ks06f43b4c11sg0ferfen4%40group… now has both monthly KCLUG meetings on it -- non-smoker since 11:31 pm october 10, 2007 "To do good in secret, and shun the world's applause, is the surest testimony of a virtuous heart and self-approving conscience." -- John Polidori ( http://tinyurl.com/ytm8ba ) more vampyres in the news: http://license.icopyright.net/user/external.act?content_id=2420423

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Novell coupons and McDonald's gift certificates
by Monty J. Harder 19 Oct '07

19 Oct '07

On 10/2/07, Jack <quiet_celt(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > This is equivalent to me buying gift > certificates from McDonald's and then distributing > them to hundreds. This in effect makes me a conveyor > of McDonald's meals. I do not get this. When you give/resell a McDonald's gift certificate, you aren't "conveying" the meal in any sense at all. The food is at the restaurant. The person who has the certificate takes it to McDonald's and uses it in lieu of cash to order whatever they want. >From an accounting standpoint, the gift certificate "sale" isn't really a sale at all. It's just an exchange: They debit cash and credit a prepayment account, representing a liability to balance the asset. Then when the bearer redeems the gift certificate, they debit the prepayment account and credit sales. The end result of both transactions is precisely what would have happened had there been no gift certificate involved at all. And I don't see the Novell coupons as substantially different. They took money from MS, in exchange for a defined value of Novell services that Novell will provide. This is a no-win situation for FOSS, because even trying to make the argument feeds into the "GPL is VIRAL!!!111oneoneone" meme. If we lose, we look stupid, but if we win, it confirms the meme.

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FOSS Solutions
by leenix 19 Oct '07

19 Oct '07

Obviously, this could start (and has started) plenty of religious flame wars over the years. This is not my intention. I am wondering what points I can use, specifically, as arguments to make a case for FOSS, specifically Linux, in a business setting. If I were hired as the IT director of a small company, and was asked to build an IT Director of a small company, my inclination would be to begin building with Linux and FOSS, but when my boss came to me and asked me why I chose those technologies, honestly I would have very few concrete reasons. Here is what I have so far: 1. I agree with the philosophy behind FOSS 2. There are a plethora of plug-ins developed to help extend our infrastructure for our current (and future) needs 3. If we find that a piece of software we downloaded (or purchased) is broken, or doesn't do what we need it to do, we have the source code and (hopefully) the resources to fix/change it. 4. Not only are there several (competing) options for paid support, there are a ton of free message boards, mailing lists and IRC channels to get assistance from, making our virtual knowledge bank HUGE 5. Total cost of ownership is going to be a fraction of that of closed source products. 6. When needed, we can find closed source software to do what we need when we can't find a FOSS solution That's where I am at. I am a programmer and know only the basics of networking, so the networking possibilities within FOSS elude me. Of course, it's always most important to use the most appropriate tool for the job, but I would give preference to FOSS tools over proprietary tools. Again, my intention is not to start arguments, only to pull together reasons why FOSS is a credible business alternative to proprietary software solutions.

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