KCLUG January 2005

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Hylafax dial-up problem
by Jonathan Hutchins 11 Jan '05

11 Jan '05

Running Gentoo Linux kernel 2.4.22, Hylafax 4.2.0-r1 from portage. I have the following settings in /var/spool/fax/etc/ /var/spool/fax/etc/config.usb_tts_0: GettyArgs: "-b -r -s %s %l" /var/spool/fax/etc/setup.cache: PATHEGETTY='/bin/false' /var/spool/fax/etc/setup.cache: PATHGETTY='/usr/sbin/mgetty' /var/spool/fax/etc/setup.cache: PATHVGETTY='/usr/sbin/vgetty' To achieve this, I edited /usr/sbin/faxsetup and changed PATH_GETTY=/sbin/agetty to PATH_GETTY=/usr/sbin/mgetty then ran faxsetup. When I dial in to the system, the log shows: FaxGetty[4308]: GETTY: START "/sbin/agetty -b -r -s 19200 usb/tts/0", pid 4327 The only way I've been able to get dial-up to work is to rename /sbin/agetty and make it a symlink to /usr/sbin/mgetty.

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RE: unmounting a volume
by Brian Kelsay 10 Jan '05

10 Jan '05

2.6 may be stable, but on my laptop I can't use it. I still have a funky wireless card that doesn't yet have a finished 2.6 driver. I have everything working fine with Mepis installed to harddrive and the wireless card auto loading at boot. If I were to get some newer hardware I might try 2.6, but for now it's not necessary. Brian Kelsay >>> "Brian Densmore" <> 01/10/05 11:34AM >>> FYI: 2.6 is not a development kernel, per definition. 2.6 is the current "stable" kernel and 2.4 is the "deprecated" (or whatever they call it) kernel. I've had no major issues with 2.6, but not something I would use on a production machine. IIRC, there is no current development kernel? There is no 2.7 right? Any ideas when if they are going to begin work on the next development kernel? Or are they just going to keep tweaking 2.6 until it's really stable? Did they pull a Microsoft on us with 2.6? What's your /opinion? > -----Original Message----- > From: Duane Attaway > > On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Brian Kelsay wrote: > > > What kernel are you running? Is it a 2.6? I still use 2.4 > series and ... > > > I was running 2.6.9 and am currently using 2.4.28 on my gentoo system > while I enjoy my USB mp3 player. I'm going to wait until 2.6 > becomes a > bit more mature as work is eating up most of my spare time.

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RE: unmounting a volume
by Brian Densmore 10 Jan '05

10 Jan '05

> -----Original Message----- > From: Duane Attaway > > On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Brian Densmore wrote: > > > FYI: 2.6 is not a development kernel, per definition. 2.6 > is the current > > "stable" kernel and 2.4 is the "deprecated" (or whatever > they call it) > > Gentoo currently has the gentoo-dev-sources defined as the Not to nit-pick, but ... gentoo <> kernel developers. This probably has more to do with not having broken links in gentoo than anything else. (Not that I don't agree with calling 2.6 developmental, but from a purely official point of view it's a stable release as are all even numbered kernels) > 2.6.x series, > so that appears to be where they are testing all kinds of fun patches. Again, not nit-picking, but... ;') This behavior, on the part of kernel maintainers, is no different than it has ever really been. Is it? > > The 2.4 series seems to be extremely stable, No argument from me. > yet much slower I hadn't noticed any speed difference between either 2.4 or 2.6 > and without all the nice extras of 2.6. I hadn't noticed any extras in 2.6 that are missing from 2.4. But then my needs are simple and for the most part I could probably shuffle along just fine with a kernel 2.2. For those of you who live out there on the bleeding edge, well that's the price you pay. It's not called bleeding edge for no reason. I've done my time bleeding. I let others do it now.

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RE: unmounting a volume
by Brian Kelsay 10 Jan '05

10 Jan '05

What kernel are you running? Is it a 2.6? I still use 2.4 series and have not ever had a USB hang like you describe. Since hotplug started taking care of USB I've not had a problem. Also, what distro are you running? This may make a difference because of what packages are included as part of your GUI environment and what default services are running. As for not being able to kill a process, is it possible that you were trying to kill a parent process while a child process was still busy/locked? Similar to trying to delete a directory that still has subdirectories that are not empty. Brian Kelsay >>> Duane Attaway <> 01/10/05 10:16AM >>> I mounted the volume through the command line with the mount command. I <snip> it. This is what I get for running development kernels and system. Its

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RE: Altitude
by Brian Densmore 10 Jan '05

10 Jan '05

> -----Original Message----- > From: Hal Duston > > > Jonathan Hutchins wrote: > > > > > Actually, I believe that vacuum is a better insulator > than the gaseous > > > stew we use for atmosphere. > > > > Two words: "Vacuum Tube". > > Which requires a heater to remove the electrons from the > cathode and even > then there isn't a spark. If current flowed through the > vacuum even in the > absence of a heater, then no vacuum tubes would work. > > Also remember the 'L' in LCD stands for liquid. Get it too > cold and it > freezes. If the liquid contains water, it expands upon freezing. I'd > imagine that would destroy a notebook screen rather nicely. > LCD displays should have no problem operating down beyond -40 degrees C/F. Although response time will be noticeably slower and the voltage necessary to drive it would have to increase and the display logic would have to know how to deal with all this.

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Re: programmer or serial killer?
by Richard A. Franklin 10 Jan '05

10 Jan '05

Brian Kelsay wrote: > Richard A. Franklin wrote: > >> This quiz is actually a better use of your time than trying to make >> Jim feel like a dumb adolescent for leaving his laptops in a car (I >> am sure he already feels like $&%@, knows "what went wrong", or is >> completely over it ... so go beat up on yourself if you have nothing >> better to do). BTW, I am surprised that Google only revealed 417 >> results for "pedantic nitpicking". After all, pedantic nitpicking is >> what people do, and they either get over it or they don't. > > > > Sorry, not trying to make Jim feel bad, it just sounded that way. It > was merely an environmental unfriendliness warning for other laptop > users and Jim if he gets his replacement. One place I worked lost 8 > laptops in the same pre-Christmas week. 6 from cars parked in front > of the bosses house while at his Christmas party. Jim's a big boy and > I'm sure he'll deal with it okay. It's the data loss that can really > hurt. > And Richard, pedantic nitpicking is a sport we geeks form teams for. > I've heard that it is a long ways down the list of future sports to be > voted on by the IOC for Olympic status. I can wait. Yep, I did not begin to think you were trying to make Jim feel bad. And pedantic nitpicking can be fun among friends. I was just a bit surprised by the silly tonality of a previous post in response to Jim's misfortune, which most of us had the good taste and common sense to simply ignore ... but it was just such a tempting lead-in to the serial killer / programmer link Too many grey days in a row bring out my shadow humor (if that is not too redundant). And BTW, as a pilot of 18 wheels, I have to remember to not let my laptop sit for 48 hours in Minot, ND during the months of January and February ... and I don't, but it is a good reminder. More to the point, how well did you score on the quiz? ---------------------------------------------- Somewhere there is a village missing an idiot. _______________________________________________ Kclug mailing list Kclug(a)kclug.org http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug

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RE: unmounting a volume
by Brian Densmore 10 Jan '05

10 Jan '05

How did you mount the device? I get unmount issues with usb file devices with some regularity. I have closed all file managers, and terminals I've had open with varying success. Generally, logging out of KDE and back in does it for me. Some bug in kfilemanager perhaps? I've never had a command line hang as a result of this though. I have also used ctrl-alt-bspace to kill X entirely, and all it's real and imagined processes. Either of these techniques has always worked for me. It is a bit extreme, if you ask me (even a bit Microsftesque). Still it's better than rebooting, or walking the process tree. Also you might try looking at ps and using the option to display the child/parent relationship, but if the problem is similar to mine this won't help. Brian Densmore > -----Original Message----- > From: Duane Attaway > > What do you do when you want to unmount a volume, but its > BUSY by some > nonexistant process? > > I had a USB drive mounted and the drive went into suspend. > It doesn't > wake up properly with this kernel and unmounting hangs the > command line. > Syncing hangs too. Unmounting with the -f option tells me > umount is also > busy?! >

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unmounting a volume
by Duane Attaway 10 Jan '05

10 Jan '05

What do you do when you want to unmount a volume, but its BUSY by some nonexistant process? I had a USB drive mounted and the drive went into suspend. It doesn't wake up properly with this kernel and unmounting hangs the command line. Syncing hangs too. Unmounting with the -f option tells me umount is also busy?! root@dattaway dattaway # umount /v -f umount2: Device or resource busy umount: /v: device is busy root@dattaway dattaway # fuser /v /v: The only thing I know how to do at this point is to guess and start killing processes all the way to init. There has to be a better way. -=Duane http://dattaway.org

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RE: OT: generator for ice storm
by Brian Densmore 09 Jan '05

09 Jan '05

> -----Original Message----- > From: Dustin Decker > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: kclug-bounces(a)kclug.org > [mailto:kclug-bounces@kclug.org] On Behalf > > Of Brian Densmore > > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 1:38 PM > > To: brad; > > Subject: RE: OT: generator for ice storm > > > > Please don't feed the trolls. > > So at what point, exactly, did my insightful information about the > possibility of obtaining a generator on the cheap qualify me > as a troll? At this point: "/me ignites the fireplace and returns to his book.". You have to read Brad's email where he asks if you've lost power. Obviously, if you had no power you couldn't send an email. Therefore, implying that you lost power by the above statement could be taken as a troll. ;) Although the above statement could also just mean you like to have a fire going in the fireplace. But taken the context of the subject matter, it is more likely to be read the other way. I guess I need to be less subtle on my list humor. No offense was intended. Brian Densmore

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Job listing
by Monty J. Harder 09 Jan '05

09 Jan '05

The Bride of Monster pointed this out to me on KC PhilanthroNET - the KC Public Library is looking for a Web/Database developer. The URL is: http://www.kcphilnet.org/cgi-bin/db/db.cgi?db=default&uid=*&ID=*&Title=&Emp…

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