I had a motherboard die on me recently. I had a spare machine with no OS and a spare hard drive, so I booted up KNOPPIX on the spare machine and set up the system to copy files off the dead computer's hard drives onto the backup hard drive.
After about 24 hours only 15GB had copied between the two hard drives, with 30GB to go. I assume that KNOPPIX's heavy memory use was slowing down the file transfer, and I think I need a CLI-only LiveCD.
The most commonly used tools I need for such a LiveCD are network capability (including DHCP client), Samba support for mounting Samba shares on other machines, and "mc" to make copying functions easier, such as for Windows filenames with lots of spaces. If anyone knows of such a LiveCD, please let me know.
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On Saturday 26 January 2008 07:54:36 am Leo Mauler wrote:
Mandriva One - booted to level 3.
Unfortunately, Debian based systems don't have an optional text mode except for rescue mode, which doesn't do networking. You can boot to rescue then start services you need though, that's another option.
I'd remaster a DSL or Puppy linux to what you think you need.
On Jan 26, 2008 9:50 AM, Jonathan Hutchins hutchins@tarcanfel.org wrote:
On Saturday 26 January 2008 07:54:36 am Leo Mauler wrote:
Mandriva One - booted to level 3.
Unfortunately, Debian based systems don't have an optional text mode except for rescue mode, which doesn't do networking. You can boot to rescue then start services you need though, that's another option.
I'd remaster a DSL or Puppy linux to what you think you need.
You may also be able to use revisor to create a fedora spin to meet your needs.
On Sat, 2008-01-26 at 12:39 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
On Jan 26, 2008 9:50 AM, Jonathan Hutchins hutchins@tarcanfel.org wrote:
On Saturday 26 January 2008 07:54:36 am Leo Mauler wrote:
Mandriva One - booted to level 3.
Unfortunately, Debian based systems don't have an optional text mode except for rescue mode, which doesn't do networking. You can boot to rescue then start services you need though, that's another option.
I'd remaster a DSL or Puppy linux to what you think you need.
You may also be able to use revisor to create a fedora spin to meet your needs.
This is an old project that is not kept up anymore, but I've used it in the past and it works great. It's called the Bootable Business Card, and one of my old professors (and a few of my friends) worked on it. So long as you don't need anything up to date, it should suit your needs.
--Jestin
On Saturday 26 January 2008 07:54, Leo Mauler wrote:
After about 24 hours only 15GB had copied between the two hard drives, with 30GB to go.
Something about that seems odd to me although I admit that when I've done similar operations I've only ever used "cp -av" from the command line; Never tried it with a GUI file manager copy. If I remember correctly [and jump in here people :)] copy operations themselves don't use that much RAM as a buffer because of diminishing returns after the buffer gets beyond 32K/64K.
Did DMA get enabled on the drives? "hdparm /dev/hda" for example will tell you.
I assume that KNOPPIX's heavy memory use was slowing down the file transfer, and I think I need a CLI-only LiveCD.
Knoppix (at leat 5.0.1) can boot to text-only mode. Its one of the boot options. Its something like "knoppix 2".
-Shawn
--- "Shawn C. Powell" shawncp@kcnet.com wrote:
On Saturday 26 January 2008 07:54, Leo Mauler wrote:
After about 24 hours only 15GB had copied between the two hard drives, with 30GB to go.
Something about that seems odd to me although I admit that when I've done similar operations I've only ever used "cp -av" from the command line; Never tried it with a GUI file manager copy.
I was using Midnight Commander at the time, which is a text-screen (curses) tool, hence my confusion. I agree completely that using a GUI tool in KNOPPIX would have been a lot slower than the command line.
If I remember correctly [and jump in here people :)] copy operations themselves don't use that much RAM as a buffer because of diminishing returns after the buffer gets beyond 32K/64K.
Well, the system resources were dinky, as the PC was a PII-600Mhz. Perhaps the processor had something to do with it, as KNOPPIX was maintaining that 1.9GB virtual filesystem in the background. Again, command line functions don't have the GUI overhead so I think a CLI interface would have been a lot faster.
Did DMA get enabled on the drives? "hdparm /dev/hda" for example will tell you.
I assume that KNOPPIX's heavy memory use was slowing down the file transfer, and I think I need a CLI-only LiveCD.
Knoppix (at leat 5.0.1) can boot to text-only mode. Its one of the boot options. Its something like "knoppix 2".
Hmmm, didn't realize it had a text-only mode. I'll have to try that out.
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Leo Mauler wrote: | I had a motherboard die on me recently. I had a spare | machine with no OS and a spare hard drive, so I booted | up KNOPPIX on the spare machine and set up the system | to copy files off the dead computer's hard drives onto | the backup hard drive. | | After about 24 hours only 15GB had copied between the | two hard drives, with 30GB to go. I assume that | KNOPPIX's heavy memory use was slowing down the file | transfer, and I think I need a CLI-only LiveCD. | | The most commonly used tools I need for such a LiveCD | are network capability (including DHCP client), Samba | support for mounting Samba shares on other machines, | and "mc" to make copying functions easier, such as for | Windows filenames with lots of spaces. If anyone | knows of such a LiveCD, please let me know.
Try out SystemRescueCD, based on Gentoo:
http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page
It's pretty lightweight (compared to Knoppix, etc), and includes everything you need. You can even mount NTFS partitions full R/W.
These days, even SystemRescueCD comes with a GUI (for GParted and a lightweight web browser) but it's easy to disable if you don't want it, and it boots into the CLI by default.
As a bonus, you can boot a variety of floppy disk images from the CD as well (memtest86, freedos, many more).
- -- Charles Steinkuehler charles@steinkuehler.net
You could also use BackTrack (2 or 3b) it boots by default to cli mode.
On Jan 26, 2008 1:36 PM, Charles Steinkuehler charles@steinkuehler.net wrote:
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Leo Mauler wrote: | I had a motherboard die on me recently. I had a spare | machine with no OS and a spare hard drive, so I booted | up KNOPPIX on the spare machine and set up the system | to copy files off the dead computer's hard drives onto | the backup hard drive. | | After about 24 hours only 15GB had copied between the | two hard drives, with 30GB to go. I assume that | KNOPPIX's heavy memory use was slowing down the file | transfer, and I think I need a CLI-only LiveCD. | | The most commonly used tools I need for such a LiveCD | are network capability (including DHCP client), Samba | support for mounting Samba shares on other machines, | and "mc" to make copying functions easier, such as for | Windows filenames with lots of spaces. If anyone | knows of such a LiveCD, please let me know.
Try out SystemRescueCD, based on Gentoo:
http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page
It's pretty lightweight (compared to Knoppix, etc), and includes everything you need. You can even mount NTFS partitions full R/W.
These days, even SystemRescueCD comes with a GUI (for GParted and a lightweight web browser) but it's easy to disable if you don't want it, and it boots into the CLI by default.
As a bonus, you can boot a variety of floppy disk images from the CD as well (memtest86, freedos, many more).
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Leo Mauler wrote: | I had a motherboard die on me recently. I had | a spare machine with no OS and a spare hard | drive, so I booted up KNOPPIX on the spare | machine and set up the system to copy files off | the dead computer's hard drives onto the backup | hard drive. | | After about 24 hours only 15GB had copied | between the two hard drives, with 30GB to go. | I assume that KNOPPIX's heavy memory use was | slowing down the file transfer, and I think I | need a CLI-only LiveCD. | | The most commonly used tools I need for such | a LiveCD are network capability (including | DHCP client), Samba support for mounting Samba | shares on other machines, and "mc" to make | copying functions easier, such as for Windows | filenames with lots of spaces. If anyone knows | of such a LiveCD, please let me know.
Try out SystemRescueCD, based on Gentoo:
http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page
It's pretty lightweight (compared to Knoppix, etc), and includes everything you need. You can even mount NTFS partitions full R/W.
Wow, you aren't kidding, this really is the ultimate rescue LiveCD. I'm going to get a copy right now, as I <sigh> need to do another hard drive system backup.
I was briefly interested in the "Ultimate Boot CD", but while the UBCD has more tools, especially diagnostic tools, than the SystemRescueCD, UBCD seems geared more for heavy-duty rescues (general diagnostics, hard drive partitioning, and complete hard drive backups), as opposed to smaller scale rescues such as copying individual directories and/or files, and restoring system files from backup. UBCD also doesn't seem to have network filesystem options for hard drive backup.
These days, even SystemRescueCD comes with a GUI (for GParted and a lightweight web browser) but it's easy to disable if you don't want it, and it boots into the CLI by default.
As a bonus, you can boot a variety of floppy disk images from the CD as well (memtest86, freedos, many more).
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Leo Mauler wrote:
I had a motherboard die on me recently. I had a spare machine with no OS and a spare hard drive, so I booted up KNOPPIX on the spare machine and set up the system to copy files off the dead computer's hard drives onto the backup hard drive.
After about 24 hours only 15GB had copied between the two hard drives, with 30GB to go. I assume that KNOPPIX's heavy memory use was slowing down the file transfer, and I think I need a CLI-only LiveCD.
The most commonly used tools I need for such a LiveCD are network capability (including DHCP client), Samba support for mounting Samba shares on other machines, and "mc" to make copying functions easier, such as for Windows filenames with lots of spaces. If anyone knows of such a LiveCD, please let me know.
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Puppy Linux works great for this type of work. ~100MB download, easy memory footprint, easy GUI (JWM) and all the goodies you need for network, Samba, and the like. Try:
Good Luck!
Check out the Helix LiveCD, which is actually designed to do forensics. Moving data around and having functional drivers is one of Helix's strong areas. It's Knoppix based, and the GRUB boot screen has a CONSOLE mode that is easily selected. Just a fair warning, since Helix is a forensics tool, by default it wont modify ANYTHING in the permanent storage of the system it is booted on. This can be advantageous if you are trying to recover data off of a crashed/hacked system, but it can also be annoying if you aren't aware of what is going on and why. ~Bradley
Leo Mauler wrote:
I had a motherboard die on me recently. I had a spare machine with no OS and a spare hard drive, so I booted up KNOPPIX on the spare machine and set up the system to copy files off the dead computer's hard drives onto the backup hard drive.
After about 24 hours only 15GB had copied between the two hard drives, with 30GB to go. I assume that KNOPPIX's heavy memory use was slowing down the file transfer, and I think I need a CLI-only LiveCD.
The most commonly used tools I need for such a LiveCD are network capability (including DHCP client), Samba support for mounting Samba shares on other machines, and "mc" to make copying functions easier, such as for Windows filenames with lots of spaces. If anyone knows of such a LiveCD, please let me know.
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