No, I can't, that was my point.
I've read that there is conjecture that there may be conditions where it does not -- such as before the big bang, during a "Big Crunch".
In other words, assuming the Universe existed before The Big Bang, there had to exist some means of getting the universe to the state it was at the beginning of The Big Crunch -- and if the universe that existed sometime before that event was like ours (ie, always INCREASING in entropy), then there are those that philosophize that there must be some conditions in which that "old" universe went from a state of higher entropy (like our universe now) to a state of lower entropy, or higher "order", ie, the perfectly-ordered universe that consisted of all matter and energy at on millionth of a pinpoint spot and the rest of all space-time consisting of utter nothingness.
As I said, this is more a matter for quantum physicists and philosophers (I sometime wonder if there is a difference ... ;^) than it is for me.
As an engineer, I consider the 2nd Law to be just that ... a LAW.
JOE
On 9/12/07, Billy Crook billycrook@gmail.com wrote:
can you name a situation where the 2nd law of thermodynamics does not apply?
The standing theory is that the universe will not collapse into itself, but rather infinitely expand until the other stars and galaxies will be so far away that the night sky will be completely black. A cold and lonely death as it were. String theorists believe our universe is one of infinite other universes that blink in and out of existence like a bubble in a sea of other bubbles. In fact one theory is that once the wall of one of these bubble universes comes into contact with another bubble universe, it creates a whole new universe and that is how our universe was created some 13.7billion years ago.
On 9/12/07, Joe Fish reverend.joe@gmail.com wrote:
No, I can't, that was my point.
I've read that there is conjecture that there may be conditions where it does not -- such as before the big bang, during a "Big Crunch".
In other words, assuming the Universe existed before The Big Bang, there had to exist some means of getting the universe to the state it was at the beginning of The Big Crunch -- and if the universe that existed sometime before that event was like ours (ie, always INCREASING in entropy), then there are those that philosophize that there must be some conditions in which that "old" universe went from a state of higher entropy (like our universe now) to a state of lower entropy, or higher "order", ie, the perfectly-ordered universe that consisted of all matter and energy at on millionth of a pinpoint spot and the rest of all space-time consisting of utter nothingness.
As I said, this is more a matter for quantum physicists and philosophers (I sometime wonder if there is a difference ... ;^) than it is for me.
As an engineer, I consider the 2nd Law to be just that ... a LAW.
--- Jeremy Fowler jeremy.f76@gmail.com wrote:
The standing theory is that the universe will not collapse into itself, but rather infinitely expand until the other stars and galaxies will be so far away that the night sky will be completely black. A cold and lonely death as
Don't believe this PR plug. The Universe is collapsing. The end of the world is next week!
Seriously, though. this is really just a guess because we can't really measure the mass of the Universe accurately enough to say for sure. Some say it won't, others firmly believe it will. I'm hoping for it will, simply because I think we're missing something important. However, the facts as we know them do seem to support a slow cold death. Which is illogical, because if that is true, then what was before the Big Bang. I like theories to have a logical basis. An ever expanding Universe, until death, isn't logical ergo, it must be wrong somehow. Unless, the Universe has expanded and collapsed before, but each time with an Energy loss and we are now looking at the "Last Expansion". There, that's logical and obeys the Law of Conservation of Energy. See, back on Topic. Although how any of this is Linux related, beats me. Maybe someone could model this in a Linux Super Cluster?
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