No, I can't, that was my point. I've read that there is conjecture that there may be conditions where it does not -- such as before the big bang, during a "Big Crunch". In other words, assuming the Universe existed before The Big Bang, there had to exist some means of getting the universe to the state it was at the beginning of The Big Crunch -- and if the universe that existed sometime before that event was like ours (ie, always INCREASING in entropy), then there are those that philosophize that there must be some conditions in which that "old" universe went from a state of higher entropy (like our universe now) to a state of lower entropy, or higher "order", ie, the perfectly-ordered universe that consisted of all matter and energy at on millionth of a pinpoint spot and the rest of all space-time consisting of utter nothingness. As I said, this is more a matter for quantum physicists and philosophers (I sometime wonder if there is a difference ... ;^) than it is for me. As an engineer, I consider the 2nd Law to be just that ... a LAW. JOE On 9/12/07, Billy Crook <billycrook@gmail.com> wrote:
can you name a situation where the 2nd law of thermodynamics does not apply?