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RE: ASX Script
by Brian Densmore 03 Sep '04

03 Sep '04

I'd be willing to work on a project to help out move from a Window$ audio server to a Linux Audio server. Even though, I'm starting another project and don't know anything about streaming audio. Let me know how I can help and I will. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Hutchins > > > On Tuesday 31 August 2004 11:30 am, Jason Clinton wrote: > > > ASX will never be supported. > > > Tell them to use standards instead of proprietary technology > > Fine. Write the script. They don't have someone who can. > > > as I did two years ago when they came on the air ... > > Um, although they changed their callsign and their > organization a few years > ago, they have been on the air for many more than two years. > They are the > NPR affiliate at CMSU. (Do you mean when they started > offering the audio > stream on the internet?) > > I've had a discussion with the guy who's responsible for > their on-line > streaming, and basically they're using "free software" - > software that they > already had. They don't have the full version of Windows > Media Server up and > running, because with the kludged partial install they have > they can stream > without having to pay Microsoft for the full version. They > have a PC with > three audio cards, and an under-paid engineer who's done his > best, but hasn't > had the time or resources to build an OSS streaming server. > > I've appealed here before for volunteers to work on the > project, and offered > to provide hardware back when I could afford it. and received one > non-commital response. > > You can sit back and bitch all you want, Jason, but it > doesn't really advance > the cause. > _______________________________________________ > Kclug mailing list > Kclug(a)kclug.org > http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug >

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Re: ASX Script
by Brian Kelsay 03 Sep '04

03 Sep '04

0/ *H÷ 010 +0I *H÷ :6From: Brian Kelsay<BLKELSAY(a)kcc.usda.gov> Subject: Re: ASX Script To: kclug(a)kclug.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="____JTAUULNFKOELIBMVCZQO____" --____JTAUULNFKOELIBMVCZQO____ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And I just laughed, and laughed, and laughed, because it's all true. I = answered a bit differently because I took it as an opportunity to learn = something myself, but Jason's answer was funny. Here's to sticking it in = and twisting it. Jason never fails to entertain. Oh yeah, I spell-checked your text I quoted and found two errors. :-) Brian Kelsay >>> Jason Clinton <> 09/03/04 12:24PM >>> Whoa there, ESR, calm down. Quoth the raven to who I replied: Well, Jason implies that he knows a way to write the launch script that = would=20 fix the problem, but he's not telling. =20 Jonathan and I have a long history of a loving relationship in which we=20 continually love to hate each other. You're reading more in to this = than=20 its worth. I'll simply, more clearly point out that HTTP has long had a STANDARD=20 for handling content distributed from a web server and further, for=20 handing those links off to applications that can handle it. It's called=20 MIME and I could be wrong but anyone that claims to have been=20 administering Linux servers "since you were watching Barney on TV"=20 (direct quote) should know that. Jonathan has been an persistent, annoying voice in the IRC channel=20 claiming one minute to know better than everyone else and the next=20 asking questions on topics that he earlier professed to be an expert=20 over. We once had an argument on this mailing list over HTML posting in=20 which he privately emailed me saying "You are a willing vector of the=20 plague." As it turns out, he knows nothing about HTML or CSS and was=20 just talking through his ass. I am further spiteful because I offered to fix all of this two years = ago=20 and they weren't interested. In short, when it comes to questions from Jonathan, I don't have any=20 patience. After all, he's the expert. Now, put the flamethrower down. --____JTAUULNFKOELIBMVCZQO____ Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="____EFTIMLRJSHUIZZHJOCIP____" --____EFTIMLRJSHUIZZHJOCIP____ Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And I just laughed, and laughed, and laughed, because it's all true. I = answered a bit differently because I took it as an opportunity to learn = something myself, but Jason's answer was funny. Here's to sticking it in = and twisting it. Jason never fails to entertain. Oh yeah, I spell-checked your text I quoted and found two errors. :-) Brian Kelsay >>> Jason Clinton <> 09/03/04 12:24PM >>> Whoa there, ESR, calm down. Quoth the raven to who I replied: Well, Jason implies that he knows a way to write the launch script = that would=20 fix the problem, but he's not telling. =20 Jonathan and I have a long history of a loving relationship in which = we=20 continually love to hate each other. You're reading more in to this = than=20 its worth. I'll simply, more clearly point out that HTTP has long had a = STANDARD=20 for handling content distributed from a web server and further, for=20 handing those links off to applications that can handle it. It's = called=20 MIME and I could be wrong but anyone that claims to have been=20 administering Linux servers "since you were watching Barney on TV"=20 (direct quote) should know that. Jonathan has been an persistent, annoying voice in the IRC channel=20 claiming one minute to know better than everyone else and the next=20 asking questions on topics that he earlier professed to be an = expert=20 over. We once had an argument on this mailing list over HTML posting = in=20 which he privately emailed me saying "You are a willing vector of = the=20 plague." As it turns out, he knows nothing about HTML or CSS and = was=20 just talking through his ass. I am further spiteful because I offered to fix all of this two years = ago=20 and they weren't interested. In short, when it comes to questions from Jonathan, I don't have = any=20 patience. After all, he's the expert. 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RE: A Job
by Brian Densmore 03 Sep '04

03 Sep '04

Well, actually I think since it is a NPC (non-profit), there's a good chance a lot of the "Beer" tastes a lot like vinegar. ;') Also, the job description makes it sound like this "Manager" position rolls in all the duties of a VP, a manager, a tech, a BOFH, and a "universal" programmer all in one. This looks like a job for either the "Terminator" or Jean Claude Van Dam. Not that I wouldn't love to take on this challenge just to see how much punishment I could take and besides it looks like there might actually be some fun things to do here. I suspect the expectations and demands would just burn me out. Oh wouldn't it be nice if people placing ads for the IT sector had realistic expectations. > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Kelsay > > > I don't think I could work in such close proximity to all > that beer. :-) >

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Re: A Job
by Brian Kelsay 03 Sep '04

03 Sep '04

I don't think I could work in such close proximity to all that beer. :-) Brian Kelsay >>> "Leonard, Phil" <> 09/02/04 04:38PM >>> If you like beer this would be a good one: http://www.beertown.org/ISposition/

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A Job
by Leonard, Phil 02 Sep '04

02 Sep '04

If you like beer this would be a good one: http://www.beertown.org/ISposition/ Philip

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ASX Script
by Brian Kelsay 02 Sep '04

02 Sep '04

A simple Google of "asx script" turned up the following nugget. <QUOTE> "If you wish to have your users utilize Windows Media Player to directly access your feed, you will have to provide them with the link which they will have to enter into the URL section of their player. They CANNOT use this link on a browser, it WILL NOT work. The link will be exactly as follows: http://your_domain_name:port# or IP address:port, i.e. http://24.91.250.47:8080 Again, this link will only work from Windows Media Player and NOT from a web browser. This is why the .asx file is crucial if you want your users to be able to access the feed from your website. The .asx is simply a script that runs Windows Media Player on your computer and points it to an address." </QUOTE> http://www.scancapecod.net/livescan/asx.html We were talking about this last night at Denny's. See what you miss by not coming. I think for now all you need to have them do is post a link on their site that they can put in any player, WMP, Real, Quicktime, Winamp, Xmms, that is just an ip and port number or a host.domainname and port. Or you could try just putting a hot link and see if the default player (not WinMedia Player) will startup when the stream is detected. Winamp should. Or create a playlist that can be linked to as seen below. If you want to see how other sites deal out streams, goto http://www.winamp.com/music or http://www.shoutcast.com Shoutcast has a button(image) that links to a .pls (playlist), which is a mime type, which can be handled by various players. http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=9949&file=filename.… is an example. What does rn=9949&file=filename.pls do? Parameters to the standard playlist file that they store in sbin on the server. Winamp has specific artist links such as: http://www.winamp.com/bin/playlist.pls?streamtype=strmedia&mtype=SA&id=1140… for a single song. Looks like similar parameters being given here. But Winamp and Shoutcast are related. http://www.wcbm.com/ is an example page of an AM station I stream from to get a program that is not played here locally (GG Liddy). They have a link, http://main.str3am.com/wcbm , that let's you listen live. I'm guessing that it points to their media hosting company, who have something like your asx script set up for a lot of radio stations that want to stream. Another example page, http://www.talkradio1290.com/ has a link to http://www.warpradio.com/popTuner.asp?id=11228 to tune in to the live stream. This like the previous one will launch a temp file and then Winders Media player. I went to the warpradio site and there you can search by genre or station call letters. One of their links points to javascript:void(window.open('player/checklogin.asp?id=13800&page=popTuner','popup','toolbar=no,location=no,scrollbars=no,width=760,height=620')); Figure that out. I don't read javascript jibberish, but it must work. It launches a new small browser window that has an embedded player. Don't know if it is WMP, but likely it is. If you want to help them replace the streaming server, you have more work ahead of you. Google for icecast and see how that is implemented. It should be cross platform for all users if stream is transmitted as MP3 or OggVorbis. Winamp will play OggVorbis. Icecast2 Docs: http://melmoth.dyndns.org/stream/doc/index.html Unofficial Howto: http://www.gnuware.com/icecast/ Ogg Vorbis Streaming Howto: http://www.6809.org.uk/media/ices2-howto.shtml You might also check out the LiveCD called Dynebolic, which supposedly contains all the parts needed to make a streaming server. I tried a previous version, but I had problems, as I had never used any of the audio programs before. I also didn't like the window manager they used. There is a newer version out, 1.3. Dynebolic might allow you to easily try stuff out without going thru the motions of installing everything needed. You will just have to configure stuff. Recording, encoding and streaming is a more complicated process than it sounds like. You have to configure 3-4 complicated programs. ------------------------------------------------------------------ >The following script, when clicked in MS IE will launch an audio stream. >The stream can also be bookmarked and played in Windows Media Player, but >I can't seem to get any linux-based player to connect. Any ideas or >suggestions? I could probably get them to change the script if we found >something that worked. <ASX version="3.0"> <COPYRIGHT>2001-2002 KTBG-FM</COPYRIGHT> <AUTHOR>90.9 The Bridge</AUTHOR> <Entry> <ref HREF="http://153.91.42.26:8085"/> <BANNER HREF="http://www.ktbg.fm/images/logos/bridgelogo_horiz.jpg"> <MOREINFO HREF="http://ktbg.fm/" /> </BANNER> <copyright>2001-2002 KTBG-FM</copyright> <author>90.9 The Bridge</author> </Entry> </ASX> Brian Kelsay

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gmail
by Charles, Joshua Micah (UMKC-Student) 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

I have a single gmail invite to give to the first person who replies to this message. Josh

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Teaching Opportunity ...
by John Geiger 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

All If anyone has a background in Solaris System Admin and would be interested in a contract teaching opportunity please write me directly at the email address below. Thank you. John M Geiger Instructor Foss Training Center (913) 322-7052 8700 State Line Road Suite 200 Leawood, KS 66206 www.FossTraining.com

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List
by Michael Pratt 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

I am still not getting any emails from the list. Mike -- Michael Pratt Nova Blue Inc. http://www.nbmap.com

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ASX Script
by Jonathan Hutchins 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

The following script, when clicked in MS IE will launch an audio stream. The stream can also be bookmarked and played in Windows Media Player, but I can't seem to get any linux-based player to connect. Any ideas or suggestions? I could probably get them to change the script if we found something that worked. <ASX version="3.0"> <COPYRIGHT>2001-2002 KTBG-FM</COPYRIGHT> <AUTHOR>90.9 The Bridge</AUTHOR> <Entry> <ref HREF="http://153.91.42.26:8085"/> <BANNER HREF="http://www.ktbg.fm/images/logos/bridgelogo_horiz.jpg"> <MOREINFO HREF="http://ktbg.fm/" /> </BANNER> <copyright>2001-2002 KTBG-FM</copyright> <author>90.9 The Bridge</author> </Entry> </ASX>

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