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Re: when do you really need a 64bit cpu?
by Leo Mauler 03 Apr '05

03 Apr '05

--- hanasaki <hanasaki(a)hanaden.com> wrote: > when do you really need a 64bit cpu? "640k is enough for anybody." :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals.yahoo.com

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Re: Good Starter Language? (was Re: REALBasic and OpenAL)
by Jared 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

This kind of resource is helpful when it comes to deciding what language to start working in. TIOBE Programming Community Index for March 2005 http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm I've watched PHP slowly climb the ranks til it is now #4 where it will probably level out, although this map doesn't seem to be slowing down any time soon: http://www.php.net/usage.php Whatever you do, learn SQL. All languages eventually have to use it in some form or another, and a LOT of dense logic can be packed into a quality SQL statement, meaning that if you get real good at SQL, you'll be able to jump quickly into any language because you can get SQL to do your data crunching. And you might as well get good at Apache, for many of the same reasons, especially with the coming advent of SAJAX interactivity: (http://www.modernmethod.com/sajax/) (sajax is the brains behind Google Maps) http://news.netcraft.com/ -Jared

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re: J
by Bailey, Michael L [NTK] 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

Anyway it does seem like J would be a cool language to learn on. Oddly, they had a long discussion a few weeks ago on their mailing list about a good programming language for beginners (which can be found in their mailing list archive on the same site) -- threads like that don't usually end up with one clear answer, but there were a lot of good comments. Here's a list of users from their website The following are a few of the corporate and academic institutions that use J: Cognos * Bayesian Enhanced Strategic Trading * Fax Focus, Inc. * Hewlett Packard * Intel * Korea Telecom * Luen Thai * Maple Partners * Microsoft * Niagara Mohawk Power * Nikko Securities * Novell * Okada Denki Co. Ltd. * Pivotal Technologies * SAP * Syngenesis, Inc. Duke University * Harvard School of Public Health * Keio University * Lafayette College * Penn State University * Rochester Institute of Technology * Trinity University * University of Alberta * UCLA * University College of the Cariboo * (I wonder where the college of the Cariboo is, don't want to spoil my mental picture, which is full of reindeer, by looking it up...) University of Florida * University of Haifa * University of Houston * University of Iowa * University of Massachusetts (Amherst) * University of Wisconsin

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RE: apl, j
by Bailey, Michael L [NTK] 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

>As far as Ruby and Python go: My first programming language was APL. It's > How many people are programming in APL today? The gentleman who wrote APL, Kenneth Iverson, recently died. (He went quietly, while at his computer, working at programming) Over the last 20 years or so, he had shifted his focus to creating a new language, J, which doesn't require a special keyboard. www.Jsoftware.com has a downloadable compiler, loads of tutorials, free as in beer (not open source, different business model) and a very active mailing list. Also www.aplusdev.org has an Open Source implementation of APL. Apparently APL has survived in the financial services niche.

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RE: Good Starter Language? (was Re: REALBasic and OpenAL)
by Garrett Goebel 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

Leo Mauler wrote: > Garrett Goebel wrote: > > Leo Mauler wrote: > > > > > > If not BASIC, then what would be the programming language > > > of choice for the beginner? > > > > That's like asking for a good tool without telling us how > > you intend to use it... > > > > What fun exciting cool thing does the beginner want to do? > > Well, I should think its obvious: learn how to program. > > There's not much else BASIC is good for. :) Which is probably the same reason so few people know Esperanto. Learn something useful. Don't learn a language you have no use for. There are horses for courses... Tell use what you want to make a computer do, and we can give you a much better recommendation as to what programming languages you should consider. -- Garrett Goebel IS Development Specialist ScriptPro Direct: 913.403.5261 5828 Reeds Road Main: 913.384.1008 Mission, KS 66202 Fax: 913.384.2180 www.scriptpro.com garrett at scriptpro dot com

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Good Starter Language? (was Re: REALBasic and OpenAL)
by Leo Mauler 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

If not BASIC, then what would be the programming language of choice for the beginner? Ideas accepted from all. --- "D. Hageman" <dhageman(a)dracken.com> wrote: > > I know a couple of weeks ago I posted a message > recommended a person not learn REALBasic for > their first language. I still believe in this > very much, but we do apparently have a couple > of people on this list that work with REALBasic. . And I always thought: the very simplest words Must be enough. When I say what things are like Everyone's heart must be torn to shreds. That you'll go down if you don't stand up for yourself Surely you see that. -- Bertolt Brecht __________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest

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Re: Good Starter Language? (was Re: REALBasic and OpenAL)
by Leo Mauler 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

<1,000 years old> Yes, I remember the good old days programming computers in B. :) --- Aaron Spiegel <spiegela(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Here we go. You may now fork this thread to > 'SUBJECT: Reminiscing Obsolete > Programming Languages'. ;) > > _______________________________________________ > Kclug mailing list > Kclug(a)kclug.org > http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug > __________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest

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RE: Good Starter Language? (was Re: REALBasic and OpenAL)
by Leonard, Phil 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

>> >How many people are programming in APL today? >> APL !! I thought I was the only one left that ever used that. I started >> with APL, APL\360 actually on an IBM 360/40. Those were the days. > >Selectric terminal on a what, 36 baud accoustic-coupled modem (we upgraded to >a hardwired one later in the year), dialed into the -experimental- Time >Sharing system in Red Hook, NY. This was the Shawnee Mission School District's 360/40. Selectric 2741 terminals ran at 134.5 baud, acoustic-coupled modem in our case. Now you know why that weird speed existed. I still have my original APL\360 book.

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RE: Good Starter Language? (was Re: REALBasic and OpenAL)
by Leo Mauler 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

Well, I should think its obvious: learn how to program. There's not much else BASIC is good for. :) --- Garrett Goebel <garrett(a)scriptpro.com> wrote: > Leo Mauler wrote: > > > > If not BASIC, then what would be the programming > > language of choice for the beginner? > > That's like asking for a good tool without telling > us how you intend to use > it... > > What fun exciting cool thing does the beginner want > to do? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

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Re: Gmail storage increase
by Jack 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

--- Brian Kelsay wrote: > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=582&e=1&u=/nm/20050401/wr_n… > > www.gmail.com starts off w/ an April Fool's joke, > but links to the new storage limit increase and > available functions story. > It has to be said. So I'll say it. "No one will ever need more than 1 GB of storage space for email." - Brian Densmore __________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest

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