March 2008 - KCLUG

MS Developer Event
by Charles Steinkuehler 25 Mar '08

25 Mar '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Perhaps a bit OT, but is anyone else going to the developer track of the MS event tomorrow? I'll be making one of my now in-frequent (it's amazing what twins will do to your free time!) trips to KC to exchange an afternoon of boredom for Microsoft 'freebies' (primarily a license for the latest Visual Studio), and would appreciate anyone of similar bent (ie: mostly non-microsoft, but forced to work with them occasionally) to pass the time with. Maybe we can even coordinate on heckling the speakers! :) - -- Charles Steinkuehler charles(a)steinkuehler.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH6ElhLywbqEHdNFwRAjnzAKCtK2rbAo58JcbVXnLfAPo//ejhPACfQExN 0a/MUjSoLjvUS0y6f8Rd7Ck= =yWgw -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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kclug.net
by David Nicol 24 Mar '08

24 Mar '08

i appear to have kclug.net in my barn; anyone want to dust it off? -- ... but world war IV will be fought with rocks

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Re: religion?
by Craig Aldinger 23 Mar '08

23 Mar '08

Please pardon me for a statement of the obvious... where do the almighty and linux get into the same forum? If I wanted to get into some kind of theological/spiritual debate it certainly would not be here! Linux, please, and save the rants on religion for some other web forum.

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[OT]Facebook app
by Deepan 23 Mar '08

23 Mar '08

Hi All, I just wrote a facebook application for playing Sudoku. Those interested.. http://apps.facebook.com/sudokusolver/ For non-facebook users: http://www.sudoku-solver.net/ Regards Deepan

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Moratorium on moderation/censorship/general whines.-give it up for lent eh?
by Oren Beck 23 Mar '08

23 Mar '08

At the risk of Unleashing more Dogma by a careless religious reference. ALL the Whines about altering the ways we post to the existing list. ALL the attempts at thinly disguised power grabbing. ALL the insincere clamor to Just Change Things to Some Other Way. Let's give it up for lent eh? After all- one IS to my understanding to sacrifice their deepest joy for lent. And it frankly seems as if trolling,flaming and general moaning has become some folk's all consuming joyous passion! My appearing Snarky is actually a bit more to prove a point. If you feel *MY* little screed to be not proper conduct here? Then we have established the concept of f improper conduct. . Which should be then held as such by ALL. Or do we now consider any conduct at all desirable with no regard to it's impact? I'd hoped to NOT have to say this- but kiddies- either we learn from the admittedly bad examples shown here by others before me- and choose constrictive content -as in? Posting content from now on of rational constructive value.to set a new higher standard. . Failing that you can just quit this Linux stuff and play Grand Theft Auto's "Maximum Splatter" skinned version -- Oren Beck 816.729.3645

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RE: Organization Poll on the KCLUG Forums
by Phil Thayer 23 Mar '08

23 Mar '08

> -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Brouhard [mailto:jbrouhard@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:46 AM > To: Phil Thayer > Subject: Re: Organization Poll on the KCLUG Forums > > To be bloody honest.. > > Everyone has a right to saying whatever they want. Saying they can't > complain when they didn't vote is like saying you can't complain about > a car you didn't purchase but the wife did. > > Free Speech people. Anyone can voice their concerns, REGARDLESS of > the situation (political or otherwise). Common sense, but that's me. > > (and yes, I have an issue with people telling me I can't voice > concerns when i didn't vote for whatever.) > If you had no input into why something happened, then you really can't complain about it. That's pretty straight forward. If your wife goes out to buy a car, asks your opinion which you do not give to her and she buys something you hate, you really can't say anything because she asked your opinion, your ignored her request and bought the car. She made the decision that it was something she wanted because you didn't provide any input. If she had asked your input and you said you hated it and she bought the car anyway, then you can say something about it. Same with voting on an issue. If you choose not to vote and a decision is made based on voting that you decided not to participate in then you can not complain about the outcome of the decision that was voted on which you decided to be ignorant (the act or process of ignoring.) > > -- > Joe Brouhard > jbrouhard(a)gmail.com >

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Re: Moratorium on moderation/censorship/general whines.-give
by Julie 23 Mar '08

23 Mar '08

<rare rant> Luke, Leo, etc. Ya'll have each other's e-mail addresses. Why don't you use your _"OWN"_ bandwith to continue the (off)topic of your choice??? Oren set a "trick-bag for trolls" and you two are the worst offenders who've fallen not only _into_ that bag, but _through_ its _BOTTOM!!!!!_ You proved the person who stated that there are always some who will NOT moderate themselves and need it done for them!!! SAD in DEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes, I believe that there is such a thing as abusive moderation. I've been a victim of it in other forums/chat areas. However, in the case of this particular place where an off-topic discussion has already caused all kinds of trouble one would rationally think that ya'll would get the POINT. <> Take it elsewhere, eh??? Other than this __religious zealotry__ that's been perpetuated here, you (Luke, Leo, etc.) have ON topic knowlege that is of *great* importance and of use by others. I would really hate to see the type of "moderation" that was suggested to be implimented simply because a MINORITY would NOT _*GET*_ the _*CLUE*_!!!!! Implementing such a policy would only serve as an obstacle of innovation almost to the point of snuffing it out! Are you so myopic that you can't see this????? Therefore, I suggest that after an off-topic discussion has gone on long or heated enough to make people weary of it to the point that they gently, or not so gently, try to persuade that topic to be changed back on-topic or dropped (out of here, at least) then _SIMPLY_ use your OWN e-mail addresses (since thar ARE clearly visible and even provide LINKS) to continue your off-topic discussion so that the rest of us can ENJOY and/or learn from the ON topic posts. Luke, Leo, etc. are you getting the _CLUE_ here????????? And Oren an/or whoever, no more __trolling__ on off-topic discussions, please? This thing had died until Oren relit the fuse with the comment about Lent. ;) Oren you knew what you were doing when you set that trap and you got the results you were after. Sad, sad, sad!!! </rare rant> Live life to have the _freedom_ to be *responsible*. --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.

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Re: Moratorium on moderation/censorship/general whines.-give it up for lent eh?
by James R. Sissel 22 Mar '08

22 Mar '08

Does the Pope use Linux in the woods?

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Re: Organization Poll on the KCLUG Forums
by James R. Sissel 22 Mar '08

22 Mar '08

> > We all have a constitutional right to complain but no constitutional > duty to vote. > >As I understand it, there is a fine imposed on Australians who don't show >up to >participate in national elections. > >I am in favor of instituting such a system in the u.s. > >Dave Funny, I'm in favor of making them take a test on US History and the Constitution BEFORE they can vote. Also, anyone taking money from the government (employee, welfare, social security) can't vote. It's a conflict of interest. But that has nothing to do with Linux, which by the way, I'm happy to vote for with my feet. I just bought a book about writing Linux Device Drivers (v3 for the 2.6 kernel). Very interesting. Now to find the time to read it!

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NUI Kansas City meeting - Tue. March 25th 12n-1:30pm
by Alex Monteiro 21 Mar '08

21 Mar '08

KC-LUG members are welcome to join us for the Novell Users Intl. meetings. Hope to see you there. ============================================================= All- Please join us for another NUI Kansas City lunch meeting. We hope you can make it! When: Tuesday, March 25th - 12:00-1:30pm. Where: Metropolitan Community College Facility Services Building - 1601 Prospect Ave. Kansas City, MO. 64127 Why: NUI Kansas City meeting RSVP: alexm(a)kiscc.com - we need a headcount for lunch. Agenda: * Presentation by Novell's Doug Caldwell * Brainshare review * Discussion on vendors presenting at future meetings * Roundtable Thanks! Alex -- Alex Monteiro Business Development Manager KIS Computer Center - Kansas City o. 816-373-9900 (vmail ext. 7554) f. 816-373-9912 m. 650-279-1909 www.kiscc.com - alexm(a)kiscc.com

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