KCLUG October 2004

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RE: Re: Help configuring procmail (was: Help configuring fetchmail)
by Brian Kelsay 15 Oct '04

15 Oct '04

BCC should show either your address or the kclug(a)kclug.org when you receive it. It just blocks you from seeing the other recipients' addresses and vice-versa. Now if the list server rewrites this part of the header, then you should just see kclug(a)kclug.org in the To: field. But I could be wrong. I have GroupUnwise 6.03 here, which still sucks and I would welcome Outlook (LookOut) or any other mail client including Pegasus. The Bat! would be sweet. Brian Kelsay >>> "Jeremy Turner" <> 10/15/04 03:40PM >>> the ^TO_ and ^TO aliases (or whatever you want to call them) are the shortcuts to taking care of To/CC/BCC and also checking the envelope for your address. Very handy. But I thought that B(lind)CC meant that it didn't list your address at all, except on the envelope. I'm not a certified email admin. I just play one at home sometimes. I'd never used GroupUnwise until 2 months ago. It makes me long for MS LookOut. Well atleast GroupUnwise 5.5 makes me want to use LookOut 2003. Or anything. Maybe even a 16-bit copy of Pegasus Mail. Jeremy

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RE: Re: Help configuring procmail (was: Help configuring fetchmail)
by Brian Densmore 15 Oct '04

15 Oct '04

Please read Jeremy's reply to my incorrect post. Or alternatively this: <shamelessly lifted from the KCLUG archives> If the regular expression contains '^TO_' it will be substituted by '(^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To |Cc |Bcc) |(X-Envelope |Apparently(-Resent)?)-To) :(.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?)', which should catch all destination specifications containing a specific address. </shamelessly lifted from the KCLUG archives> In other words, Procmail reads '^TO_' as anyplace that could be used as a "To:" field including the "Apparently-To" header record which the KCLUG mailer uses. Or as you asked also the CC and BCC records. My post was due to my ignorance of how the '^TO_' works. > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Kelsay > > Are you saying that he can't filter on the "To:" field? If > he is only subscribed on one address of the two he has talked > about, he could scan for kclug(a)kclug.org in any of the 3 > "To:, CC:, BCC:" and then have those dropped in whichever of > the folders. I use built-in filters in Thunderbird, but this > is what I look for and it works fine. GroupUnwise however, > sucks and frequently misses email. It is a very inflexible > mail client. > > > Brian Kelsay > > >>> "Brian Densmore" <> 10/15/04 02:24PM >>> > > Nope, that won't work for KCLUG mail. > The "To:" field will not always, in fact hardly ever, > have the proper recipient of the email. Hence, Matt's > dilemma. You have to look at the crazy headers for KCLUG. > I'd say he needs both of the approaches you stated. One > filter by list and to by "To:". That *should* get most if > not all filtered into his appropriate mailboxes. > Now, I have to go to my server and play with some of these > rules. ;') >

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Re: Re: Help configuring procmail (was: Help configuring fetchmail)
by linux＠bizniche.com 15 Oct '04

15 Oct '04

On Fri, October 15, 2004 10:38 am, linux(a)bizniche.com said: > To: KCLUG<kclug(a)kclug.org> > Envelope-To: linux(a)bizniche.com > > That makes for easy filtering...either by the kclug addy, or by the > Envelope-To address, which would be more comprehensive it seems. > > When I use fetchmail to get the same message, I see: > To: KCLUG<kclug(a)kclug.org> > Envelope-To: mdg@localhost > > So, when that 'Envelope-To' changes, I lose any idea (from the headers) > as to what address it was fetched from. There is no more record of > linux(a)bizniche.com anywhere. >This procmailrc tries to identify mailing lists (mailman, Yahoo groups, >etc) by using various headers that they use. You can subscribe to new >lists, and it would automatically create the new folder for you. >For your multi-mailbox setup you could have a structure something like: >INBOX >INBOX.mailacct1 >INBOX.mailacct1.somefolder >INBOX.mailacct2 >INBOX.mailacct2.somefolder >INBOX.mailacct3 >INBOX.mailacct3.somefolder >INBOX.lists >INBOX.lists.kclug > >Is this something of what you're looking for? This is nearly what I'm looking to do. What I really want to do, is.. _Anything_ that comes to linux(a)bizniche.com goes in one folder, doesn't matter if it was sent to the address directly, or to a list like kclug. _Anything_ that comes to matt(a)bizniche.com goes in another folder, no matter where it comes from. etc. I'm not so interested in filtering based on content yet...just by the account it was sent to. Am I way off? Are things just not done this way? matt Jeremy -- Jeremy Turner <jeremy(a)linuxwebguy.com> Linux Tips and News! ---> http://linuxwebguy.com

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RE: Help configuring procmail (was: Help configuring fetchmail)
by Brian Densmore 15 Oct '04

15 Oct '04

Also, I think you could use this to capture mail from kclug (although I haven't tested it and it may be slightly wrong): :0: * ^Delivered To: * kclug(a)kclug.org .kclug/ If you just wanted to do the single thing. I really didn't grok Jeremy's snippet. I understand what it's doing and why, but I still have a really hard time reading string processing syntax and mapping into an actual example of what it translate to. And I don't like using things I can't easily modify to use to a different purpose. I suppose it's time I took a shell string processing class. Actually it's just the "\/[^@]+" and the "/[\/]/_/g'`" that confuse me. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeremy Turner > > > On Fri, October 15, 2004 10:38 am, linux(a)bizniche.com said: > > To: KCLUG<kclug(a)kclug.org> > > Envelope-To: linux(a)bizniche.com > > > > That makes for easy filtering...either by the kclug addy, or by the > > Envelope-To address, which would be more comprehensive it seems. > > > > When I use fetchmail to get the same message, I see: > > To: KCLUG<kclug(a)kclug.org> > > Envelope-To: mdg@localhost > > > > So, when that 'Envelope-To' changes, I lose any idea (from > the headers) > > as to what address it was fetched from. There is no more record of > > linux(a)bizniche.com anywhere. > > Here's a question: for a mailing list, do you care what > mailbox/address it > came in as? Consider the following procmailrc snippet: > > # Used by the perl6-all list to break out into seperate mailboxes > :0: > * ^X-Mailing-List-Name: \/[^@]+ > lists/`echo $MATCH | sed -e 's/[\/]/_/g'` > > # Majordomo uses Sender header to tell when it is coming from > :0: > * ^Sender: owner-\/[^@]+ > lists/`echo $MATCH | sed -e 's/[\/]/_/g'` > > :0: > * ^X-BeenThere: \/[^@]+ > lists/`echo $MATCH | sed -e 's/[\/]/_/g'` > > :0: > * ^Delivered-To: mailing list \/[^@]+ > lists/`echo $MATCH | sed -e 's/[\/]/_/g'` > > :0: > * ^X-Mailing-List: <\/[^@]+ > lists/`echo $MATCH | sed -e 's/[\/]/_/g'` > > :0: > * ^X-Loop: \/[^@]+ > lists/`echo $MATCH | sed -e 's/[\/]/_/g'` > > :0: > * ^X-List-ID: <\/[^(a)\.]+ > lists/`echo $MATCH | sed -e 's/[\/]/_/g'` > > :0: > * ^X-list: \/[^(a)\.]+ > lists/`echo $MATCH | sed -e 's/[\/]/_/g'` > > This procmailrc tries to identify mailing lists (mailman, > Yahoo groups, > etc) by using various headers that they use. You can subscribe to new > lists, and it would automatically create the new folder for you. > > For your multi-mailbox setup you could have a structure > something like: > > INBOX > INBOX.mailacct1 > INBOX.mailacct1.somefolder > INBOX.mailacct2 > INBOX.mailacct2.somefolder > INBOX.mailacct3 > INBOX.mailacct3.somefolder > INBOX.lists > INBOX.lists.kclug > > Is this something of what you're looking for? > > Jeremy > > -- > Jeremy Turner <jeremy(a)linuxwebguy.com> > Linux Tips and News! ---> http://linuxwebguy.com > > _______________________________________________ > Kclug mailing list > Kclug(a)kclug.org > http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug >

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by Brian Kelsay 15 Oct '04

15 Oct '04

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Help configuring procmail (was: Help configuring fetchmail)
by linux＠bizniche.com 15 Oct '04

15 Oct '04

> From http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/man.cgi?section=5&topic=procmailrc > > If the regular expression contains ^TO_ it will be substituted by > (^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To |Cc |Bcc) |(X-Envelope > |Apparently(-Resent)?)-To) :(.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?), which should catch all > destination specifications containing a specific address. > > If the regular expression contains ^TO it will be substituted by > (^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To |Cc |Bcc) |(X-Envelope > |Apparently(-Resent)?)-To) :(.*[^a-zA-Z])?), which should catch all > destination specifications containing a specific word. > > This example shamelessly taken from http://perkypants.org/dotfiles/procmailrc > > :0: > * ^TO_.*(jdub|jeff|president)@slug. > SLUG/personal > > Make sense? Yes, that makes sense. The filtering on the 'To' or 'TO' fields is working great. Of course that leaves out emails that are not sent directly to my address...like kclug. It seems that there are some header changes between emails that I collect using Thunderbird (pop3 style) and emails that I collect from the same server using fetchmail. For example. The same email sent to the kclug. When I pop it from the server directly, I see: To: KCLUG<kclug(a)kclug.org> Envelope-To: linux(a)bizniche.com That makes for easy filtering...either by the kclug addy, or by the Envelope-To address, which would be more comprehensive it seems. When I use fetchmail to get the same message, I see: To: KCLUG<kclug(a)kclug.org> Envelope-To: mdg@localhost So, when that 'Envelope-To' changes, I lose any idea (from the headers) as to what address it was fetched from. There is no more record of linux(a)bizniche.com anywhere. It seems that I should be doing something with X-Envelope-To, and your message above mentions that as well. But I don't see it anywhere. See what I mean? Matt

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Re: RE: Re: Help configuring fetchmail
by linux＠bizniche.com 15 Oct '04

15 Oct '04

Oooooookay. Thanks for that. exim, fetchmail and procmail seem to be doing their thing now. For some tests, I setup 2 pop3 accounts on a different server, and added 2 fetchmail entries for them, and 2 procmail entries. They're getting to the right IMAP folder and everything, which is exciting! Like Jeremy said, there the onces not addressed to me are not being sorted right. My procmail entries look at the To: line, but that's all I can think to look at. One of the accounts is this one...linux(a)bizniche.com. Nowhere in the header so I see linux(a)bizniche.com. It seems to me that it should be in the Envelope-To: field...but that one is always mdg@localhost. Reading around on the web, I see options for fetchmail like 'envelope' and 'no envelope' and stuff. But nothing seems to work. It seems like there is a way to specify the string value of a header...so I can search for that with procmail. Is that right? Or maybe there is a way to tell fetchmail not to try and change any headers? I've read the sections that seem to deal with headers here: http://www.catb.org/~esr/fetchmail/fetchmail-man.html a few million times, and they're not clear to me. Anyone know how to make sure I get my email sorted when it doesn't come straight to me? Matt

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Bash Question
by djgoku 15 Oct '04

15 Oct '04

Hi Everyone, I am working on a bash script, and currently looking at examples. I came across something I'm not sure what it means: if (( $? )); , the double quotes and the $? is what I don't get. In the script there is no variable set for ? so kinda lost. Possible info: Simply enclose the particular arithmetic expression between a "$((" and a "))", and bash will evaluate the expression. And also anyone have recommendation of a good bash scripting book. Learning the bash Shell, 2nd Edition? Thanks, -- dj_goku -www.djgoku.com- -www.tektronic.org-

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RE: Bash Question
by djgoku 14 Oct '04

14 Oct '04

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:04:15 -0500, Ben Kelley <blk6224(a)gmail.com> wrote: > $? is the exit code of the previous command # attempt to remount the RW mount point as RW; else abort $MOUNT -o remount,rw $MOUNT_DEVICE $SNAPSHOT_RW ; if (( $? )); then { $ECHO "snapshot: could not remount $SNAPSHOT_RW readwrite"; exit; } fi; So in this example if failed it would echo "snapshot: ...", or else go to next set of code. Correct? Thanks, -- dj_goku -www.djgoku.com- -www.tektronic.org-

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RE: Re: Help configuring fetchmail
by Brian Densmore 14 Oct '04

14 Oct '04

I am by no means a procmail or exim guru. But from what I've read Jeremy's configuration will not work on pre exim 4.x. Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: linux(a)bizniche.com > >[snip] > > So I tried setting it up like you mention. The only thing I don't > understand is the driver=accept part. I get an error related to this > when I log in as another user and run 'mail -s "testing" mdg'. The > error is: > -------- > avast:/home/mdg# mail -s "testing" mdg > Cc: > Null message body; hope that's ok > 2004-10-14 10:33:52 Exim configuration error > router procmail: cannot find router driver "accept" in line 405 > Can't send mail: sendmail process failed with error code 1 > avast:/home/mdg# > --------- > > I wondered if you have anything in your .conf about the accept...maybe > another section that defines it? I tried to make sure that there were > no transport or router conflicts. > > My .procmailrc file looks like yours, with obvious > changes...homedir and > maildir changes. The rest is the same. > > My exim.conf looks like this: http://mdg.homelinux.org/exim.conf > > Also...I'm not using exim4, and thought this might be a difference. > > Any ideas? > > Matt > _______________________________________________ > Kclug mailing list > Kclug(a)kclug.org > http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug >

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