I take the jab from LukeJr, and remind him of a previous conversation off line
however the actual reason is "Why not?,"
When I figure out how do do it with fedora, I am going to scratch it and repeat for ubuntu, suze, BSD, and whatever else comes across my hands. I know they are all pretty much the same in theory, but I have been told Fedora is the worst way to go for a beginner, er that is outside of slackware and the whole compile the kernel as you go; but when I get to that level and have a question, I'll ask......
But thanks to those who gave a "educational" response
On Oct 30, 2007, at 5:17 PM, Earle Beason wrote:
I take the jab from LukeJr, and remind him of a previous conversation off line
however the actual reason is "Why not?,"
When I figure out how do do it with fedora, I am going to scratch it and repeat for ubuntu, suze, BSD, and whatever else comes across my hands. I know they are all pretty much the same in theory, but I have been told Fedora is the worst way to go for a beginner, er that is outside of slackware and the whole compile the kernel as you go; but when I get to that level and have a question, I'll ask......
But thanks to those who gave a "educational" response
I am not sure you have total control of this, but the times of emails are in the "future". Seems gmail fixes this (since it goes my your local time you set up in options), but mail clients don't and makes everything out of order.
Thanks,
Jonathan
On Tuesday 30 October 2007 17:17:05 Earle Beason wrote:
however the actual reason is "Why not?,"
I ran RedHat for servers for years until they pulled the split - and screwed me and a lot of other people out of several months of paid support.
I didn't move to Fedora for several releases as it "found itself", and when I tried it I was not pleased. Their restructuring lost them a lot of community support, and the packages were disappointingly out of date. They stay that way too, what they release is what you get unless you do a version upgrade - which at last check did not work. Fedora is also more focused on the desktop; sensible text-based configuration and apps receive a lot less attention than they once did.
I've found a similar problem with Mandriva. While I love it on the desktop, recent releases have had non-starting problems with a number of packages that would only be run on a server, like dovecot, spamassassin, and others. Makes it nice if you get off on filing bug reports - with fixes, but makes it hard to get the server up and running on time.
Gentoo on a server - no. Must be updated constantly, and since the exodus to Ubuntu updates frequently break things. True, they're usually only broken for a day or so, but try explaining that to the boss who's waiting for an eMailed contract in Philadelphia when he can't get his mail.
I have the install disks to do Ubuntu LTS, but I keep chickening out. Don't want to loose a weekend to it right now.
I have run Linux servers for years both personally and professionally. GNU / Linux is the same core code in all Linux distros, yet different distros cater to various needs better than others. Fedora would not be my first choice in a server capacity. It would be somewhere down the bottom of the list for this purpose so, I wouldn't use it. I agree that Gentoo takes too much time and effort in maintaining the system to be effective for server use. If you find that you have to update say, 20 packages, your system is compiling software for hours. Not a good thing when it's supposed to be pumping out email, churning databases, or serving web pages.
If you have good knowledge of Linux, Slackware is what I would recommend. It's not flashy (I don't run X on servers - BTW) on the command line, but it's powerful and effective. Even less maintenence work? A Debian based system works very well. Keep it lean on software, let the Debian / Ubuntu / Other maintainers do the compiling for you, and apt-get / aptitude is easy enough.
I am currently running Ubuntu 6.06 LTS as my web server. I have been for over a year now and have been very happy with the results. I also have a few Xubuntu 6.06 servers running for a few clients. I choose Xubuntu (Ubuntu with the lighter-duty Xfce desktop) because the client feels better seeing a GUI on the server, though they NEVER have to use it! Gotta love Linux.
Anyway, I don't know specifically what to tell you on a Fedora server but I'm sure it's not too tough to figure out. Good luck to you, whatever you decide.
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Ty Unes wrote:
If you have good knowledge of Linux, Slackware is what I would recommend. It's not flashy (I don't run X on servers - BTW) on the command line, but it's powerful and effective. Even less maintenence work? A Debian based system works very well. Keep it lean on software, let the Debian / Ubuntu / Other maintainers do the compiling for you, and apt-get / aptitude is easy enough.
I second the choice of Debian for server systems. Security support lifetimes on par with RHEL, free (as in both speech and beer), and when it's in Debian stable it's *STABLE*. No suprises, no crashes, it just runs (and runs...and runs!).
I've even gone through a few dist-upgrade cycles on several of my debian boxen and not run into any serious issues. I was able to migrate several systems from sarge to etch remotely, via ssh, with no serious hiccups. It did take a few cycles of "(apt-get|aptitude) dist-upgrade" to get everything updated, but no actual trips to the CoLo were required. :)
I do run fairly basic installs on the server systems (ie: no GUI) so YMMV, but all in all I'm a very pleased debian user and would recommend it to anyone looking for a good linux server platform.
- -- Charles Steinkuehler charles@steinkuehler.net
On 10/30/07, Earle Beason Earle-Beason@kc.rr.com wrote:
I take the jab from LukeJr, and remind him of a previous conversation off line
however the actual reason is "Why not?,"
I use Fedora on my desktops and laptops, but here are some reasons to not use Fedora for a production server:
* Most of th Fedora guys will recommend against it * Frequent updates, and releases which you would have to be willing to follow * General hatred of Fedora by Debian users, who don't use Fedora themselves, and would otherwise be useful sources of information
Most Fedora guys would suggest that yo u either pony up for a RHEL license, or use CentOS. I use CentOS5 on my servers, and Fedora 7 on my desktop/laptop.
I know of no other technical reason to not use Fedora or one of it derivatives. I have had no problems, a few "I didn't know"s but I got all the help I needed between irc://freenode/centos and irc://freenode/fedora.
If you do choose a Fedora based distro, feel free to subscribe to the appropriate mailing list. But if for some reason you would rather not, I'm on this list and will at least attempt to assist you as much as I can.
As a disclaimer, I have nothing against other distros, however, my current selection works very well for me.
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