I have an old laptop, IBM Thinkpad 380 Z, that had Mandrake 9.1 installed and running reasonably. It's a low-power system, with only a 300MHz PII, 96M of ram, and a 3G hard drive, but it ran Mandrake reasonably well.
Unfortunately, support for 9.1 is no longer available (with good reason, great advances have been made), and that means I can't set up either of my wireless cards, at least not easily.
I decided to try Kubuntu on it, and used the Alternate CD that's supposed to allow for older. less powerful systems. The results are pretty poor. The install didn't check to see that I'd passed a custom option to the kernel so it could boot (ide=nodma). It didn't detect the sound system at all (ubuntu seems to be having some serious problems with sound these days). It failed to detect the CardBus ethernet card at boot, although I was able to configure it. It doesn't appear to have adjusted it's package selection by much; I had to remove OpenOffice to get enough space to run the initial package update. The install took around eight hours to complete, the package update just finished after over an hour.
I really haven't had a chance to give the system a fair chance yet, but looking at how long the text-mode update took, I'm not optimistic.
I have the CD for DamnSmallLinux, and I will probably try that next. I know some of you have built linux systems on older hardware, and I'd like to know what you'd recommend for a system of this vintage. Surely there's something as capable today as Mandrake was five (?) years ago?
On 4/4/07, Jonathan Hutchins hutchins@tarcanfel.org wrote:
I have an old laptop, IBM Thinkpad 380 Z, that had Mandrake 9.1 installed and running reasonably. It's a low-power system, with only a 300MHz PII, 96M of ram, and a 3G hard drive, but it ran Mandrake reasonably well.
Unfortunately, support for 9.1 is no longer available (with good reason, great advances have been made), and that means I can't set up either of my wireless cards, at least not easily.
I decided to try Kubuntu on it, and used the Alternate CD that's supposed to allow for older. less powerful systems. The results are pretty poor. The install didn't check to see that I'd passed a custom option to the kernel so it could boot (ide=nodma). It didn't detect the sound system at all (ubuntu seems to be having some serious problems with sound these days). It failed to detect the CardBus ethernet card at boot, although I was able to configure it. It doesn't appear to have adjusted it's package selection by much; I had to remove OpenOffice to get enough space to run the initial package update. The install took around eight hours to complete, the package update just finished after over an hour.
I really haven't had a chance to give the system a fair chance yet, but looking at how long the text-mode update took, I'm not optimistic.
I have the CD for DamnSmallLinux, and I will probably try that next. I know some of you have built linux systems on older hardware, and I'd like to know what you'd recommend for a system of this vintage. Surely there's something as capable today as Mandrake was five (?) years ago?
It isn't a distro, but (I would recommend OpenBSD) have OpenBSD installed on a 200Mhz, dual 300Mhz, 500Mhz, all humming along running 3.9/4.0 variants at the moment.
If you need any help in configuring I would help in any way I know of.
Jonathan
Puppy Linux!
On 4/4/07, Jonathan Hutchins hutchins@tarcanfel.org wrote:
I have an old laptop, IBM Thinkpad 380 Z, that had Mandrake 9.1 installed and running reasonably. It's a low-power system, with only a 300MHz PII, 96M of ram, and a 3G hard drive, but it ran Mandrake reasonably well.
Unfortunately, support for 9.1 is no longer available (with good reason, great advances have been made), and that means I can't set up either of my wireless cards, at least not easily.
I decided to try Kubuntu on it, and used the Alternate CD that's supposed to allow for older. less powerful systems. The results are pretty poor. The install didn't check to see that I'd passed a custom option to the kernel so it could boot (ide=nodma). It didn't detect the sound system at all (ubuntu seems to be having some serious problems with sound these days). It failed to detect the CardBus ethernet card at boot, although I was able to configure it. It doesn't appear to have adjusted it's package selection by much; I had to remove OpenOffice to get enough space to run the initial package update. The install took around eight hours to complete, the package update just finished after over an hour.
I really haven't had a chance to give the system a fair chance yet, but looking at how long the text-mode update took, I'm not optimistic.
I have the CD for DamnSmallLinux, and I will probably try that next. I know some of you have built linux systems on older hardware, and I'd like to know what you'd recommend for a system of this vintage. Surely there's something as capable today as Mandrake was five (?) years ago? _______________________________________________ Kclug mailing list Kclug@kclug.org http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug
I say it's your RAM slowing you down. You should be able to handle DSL ro PUppy well on that amount of RAM, but a regular Ubuntu install won't, which is what goes in even with the Alternate CD, unless you do a command-line install. The Alternate CD will do a full install with out needing the 192MB of RAM to boot the LiveCD to do the same thing. If you do a command-line install, and then add a custom set of packages, you can trim it down a lot.
Of course for tips see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems
I'll third DSL and Puppy Linux. Also, I've run the BSDs before and they can be made quite small. It's been a while, but I used to run a Mac IIsi with NetBSD in 5MB RAM and an 80MB HDD. Of course it was basically only a dial-up PPP gateway, but it worked.
Jon.
On 4/4/07, Jonathan Hutchins hutchins@tarcanfel.org wrote:
I have an old laptop, IBM Thinkpad 380 Z, that had Mandrake 9.1 installed and running reasonably. It's a low-power system, with only a 300MHz PII, 96M of ram, and a 3G hard drive, but it ran Mandrake reasonably well.
I have not installed and I have very little knowledge as to the completeness of this particular distro, but I have read that Zenwalk is a very fast distro even on older Pentium II class systems. This distro is only about 2 years old though so I don't know how mature it is.
Best Wishes!
Jeffrey A. McCright, A+ 816-210-3107 jmccright@hotmail.com
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I have an old laptop, IBM Thinkpad 380 Z, that had Mandrake 9.1 installed and running reasonably. It's a low-power system, with only a 300MHz PII, 96M of ram, and a 3G hard drive, but it ran Mandrake reasonably well.
Unfortunately, support for 9.1 is no longer available (with good reason, great advances have been made), and that means I can't set up either of my wireless cards, at least not easily.
I decided to try Kubuntu on it, and used the Alternate CD that's supposed to allow for older. less powerful systems. The results are pretty poor. The install didn't check to see that I'd passed a custom option to the kernel so it could boot (ide=nodma). It didn't detect the sound system at all (ubuntu seems to be having some serious problems with sound these days). It failed to detect the CardBus ethernet card at boot, although I was able to configure it. It doesn't appear to have adjusted it's package selection by much; I had to remove OpenOffice to get enough space to run the initial package update. The install took around eight hours to complete, the package update just finished after over an hour.
I really haven't had a chance to give the system a fair chance yet, but looking at how long the text-mode update took, I'm not optimistic.
I have the CD for DamnSmallLinux, and I will probably try that next. I know some of you have built linux systems on older hardware, and I'd like to know what you'd recommend for a system of this vintage. Surely there's something as capable today as Mandrake was five (?) years ago? _______________________________________________ Kclug mailing list Kclug@kclug.org http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug
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