I just upgraded to Ubuntu 7.10. Now the screen resolution is stuck at 1600x1200. My monitor is straining to do this resolution and the screen is all bendy. I can't adjust the monitor itself to work with the new resolution as this monitor is shared between three other computers and would need to be readjusted back to the prior settings every time I pressed the KVM switch.
I have been to System > Preferences > Screen Resolution. I pull down the menu and select the resolution which has always worked well, which is 1024x768. I press Apply. The screen resolution *does not change*, but I get a dialog box saying "do you want to keep this resolution or revert to the old resolution?" Selecting "keep this resolution" does not change the resolution to 1024x768.
I've tried Ctrl-Alt-Shift + to change screen resolutions. For some reason 1024x768 is not an option in the list.
I'm presuming that editing a config file is in order. I have no problem doing this and understand the need to back things up. However, I have only done XFree86 config files and don't know what to do with xorg.
Incidentally, 1600x1200 has always been the resolution used by the graphical login screen. I've wanted to change the initial resolution to 1024x768 as well, but I don't know how to do that either. Frankly I just hate graphical login screens, but I can't do without my GUI for normal computer use.
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On 10/21/07, Leo Mauler webgiant@yahoo.com wrote:
I just upgraded to Ubuntu 7.10. Now the screen resolution is stuck at 1600x1200. My monitor is straining to do this resolution and the screen is all bendy. I can't adjust the monitor itself to work with the new resolution as this monitor is shared between three other computers and would need to be readjusted back to the prior settings every time I pressed the KVM switch.
I have been to System > Preferences > Screen Resolution. I pull down the menu and select the resolution which has always worked well, which is 1024x768. I press Apply. The screen resolution *does not change*, but I get a dialog box saying "do you want to keep this resolution or revert to the old resolution?" Selecting "keep this resolution" does not change the resolution to 1024x768.
I've tried Ctrl-Alt-Shift + to change screen resolutions. For some reason 1024x768 is not an option in the list.
I'm presuming that editing a config file is in order. I have no problem doing this and understand the need to back things up. However, I have only done XFree86 config files and don't know what to do with xorg.
Incidentally, 1600x1200 has always been the resolution used by the graphical login screen. I've wanted to change the initial resolution to 1024x768 as well, but I don't know how to do that either. Frankly I just hate graphical login screens, but I can't do without my GUI for normal computer use.
Instead of hand editing the file, try using the official dpkg method - dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (may need to use sudo if you are not in a root shell) you can also use the flag: -p high to let it do most of the config automatically and see what happens. If you only change the resolution in Gnome it will only change for that user. By using the dpkg method it will change it for the entire system. I know there is a way to set the bootup/login res, but it's been so long since I've needed to I've forgotten.
BTW: anyone know where to change the post-login numlock setting in Gnome? I've got a Model M that's a keypad-less model. I've got the BIOS set to numlock off and it stays off through the login screen, but when it hits the desktop it's back on -- and I have no LEDs to let me know this. ARG!
Jon.
X.org 7.3 (which I presume is what is in Ubuntu since they continue to ship unstable piles of crap as "stable") does not have working keyboard LED code. It is said that the problem is so deep and complicated due to the ancient code responsible for this, that a fix is not expected for some time: X.org 7.3.1.
Solution: stop using Ubuntu and switch to the distro that they steal all their package from: Debian. The X.org package which was ripped verbatim from Debian is correctly marked "unstable" in their repositories.
On 10/21/07, Jon Pruente jdpruente@gmail.com wrote:
On 10/21/07, Leo Mauler webgiant@yahoo.com wrote:
I just upgraded to Ubuntu 7.10. Now the screen resolution is stuck at 1600x1200. My monitor is straining to do this resolution and the screen is all bendy. I can't adjust the monitor itself to work with the new resolution as this monitor is shared between three other computers and would need to be readjusted back to the prior settings every time I pressed the KVM switch.
I have been to System > Preferences > Screen Resolution. I pull down the menu and select the resolution which has always worked well, which is 1024x768. I press Apply. The screen resolution *does not change*, but I get a dialog box saying "do you want to keep this resolution or revert to the old resolution?" Selecting "keep this resolution" does not change the resolution to 1024x768.
I've tried Ctrl-Alt-Shift + to change screen resolutions. For some reason 1024x768 is not an option in the list.
I'm presuming that editing a config file is in order. I have no problem doing this and understand the need to back things up. However, I have only done XFree86 config files and don't know what to do with xorg.
Incidentally, 1600x1200 has always been the resolution used by the graphical login screen. I've wanted to change the initial resolution to 1024x768 as well, but I don't know how to do that either. Frankly I just hate graphical login screens, but I can't do without my GUI for normal computer use.
Instead of hand editing the file, try using the official dpkg method - dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (may need to use sudo if you are not in a root shell) you can also use the flag: -p high to let it do most of the config automatically and see what happens. If you only change the resolution in Gnome it will only change for that user. By using the dpkg method it will change it for the entire system. I know there is a way to set the bootup/login res, but it's been so long since I've needed to I've forgotten.
BTW: anyone know where to change the post-login numlock setting in Gnome? I've got a Model M that's a keypad-less model. I've got the BIOS set to numlock off and it stays off through the login screen, but when it hits the desktop it's back on -- and I have no LEDs to let me know this. ARG!
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On 10/21/07, Jason D. Clinton me@jasonclinton.com wrote:
X.org 7.3 (which I presume is what is in Ubuntu since they continue to ship unstable piles of crap as "stable") does not have working keyboard LED code. It is said that the problem is so deep and complicated due to the ancient code responsible for this, that a fix is not expected for some time: X.org 7.3.1.
Solution: stop using Ubuntu and switch to the distro that they steal all their package from: Debian. The X.org package which was ripped verbatim from Debian is correctly marked "unstable" in their repositories.
No, my keyboard just does not have physical LEDs, it's one of the 84-key space saver models. Your rant is not applicable for this situation. ;) The issue is that between BIOS boot and user desktop the numlock setting gets flipped.
Jon.
On 10/21/07, Jason D. Clinton me@jasonclinton.com wrote:
X.org 7.3 (which I presume is what is in Ubuntu since they continue to ship unstable piles of crap as "stable") does not have working
I just checked, it's 7.2, while the "stable" stable Debian uses 7.1, "testing" uses 7.2-5 (just like Ubuntu 7.10) and "unstable" uses 7.3-2 (which is where your rant is going to). So where's the beef? Ubnuntu, Debian, or Xorg? Your rant should be pointed at Debian unstable for using 7.3. HTH, H a ND.
Jon.
The keyboard LED problem is in xserver-xorg-input-kbd 1.2 and higher (which shipped as a part of Xorg 7.3). Ubuntu 7.10 is a hybridization of X.org 7.2 and 7.3 according to this page: http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/x11/
The upstream bug is here: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12434
That appeared from your description to be what the question was about.
As for your problem toggling the NUMLOCK key in software to OFF by default, this is Gnome bug. Open configuration editor and go to this path to fix it:
/desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/host-hostname-desktop/0/numlock_on
On 10/21/07, Jon Pruente jdpruente@gmail.com wrote:
On 10/21/07, Jason D. Clinton me@jasonclinton.com wrote:
X.org 7.3 (which I presume is what is in Ubuntu since they continue to ship unstable piles of crap as "stable") does not have working
I just checked, it's 7.2, while the "stable" stable Debian uses 7.1, "testing" uses 7.2-5 (just like Ubuntu 7.10) and "unstable" uses 7.3-2 (which is where your rant is going to). So where's the beef? Ubnuntu, Debian, or Xorg? Your rant should be pointed at Debian unstable for using 7.3. HTH, H a ND.
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On 10/21/07, Jason D. Clinton me@jasonclinton.com wrote:
The keyboard LED problem is in xserver-xorg-input-kbd 1.2 and higher (which shipped as a part of Xorg 7.3). Ubuntu 7.10 is a hybridization of X.org 7.2 and 7.3 according to this page: http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/x11/
The upstream bug is here: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12434
That appeared from your description to be what the question was about.
As for your problem toggling the NUMLOCK key in software to OFF by default, this is Gnome bug. Open configuration editor and go to this path to fix it:
/desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/host-hostname-desktop/0/numlock_on
Thanks you! That's it. interestingly this problem does not happen on the Fedora Core 7 (Xorg 7.3) on the same KVM.
On Sunday 21 October 2007, Jon Pruente wrote:
On 10/21/07, Jason D. Clinton me@jasonclinton.com wrote:
X.org 7.3 (which I presume is what is in Ubuntu since they continue to ship unstable piles of crap as "stable") does not have working
I just checked, it's 7.2, while the "stable" stable Debian uses 7.1, "testing" uses 7.2-5 (just like Ubuntu 7.10) and "unstable" uses 7.3-2 (which is where your rant is going to). So where's the beef? Ubnuntu, Debian, or Xorg? Your rant should be pointed at Debian unstable for using 7.3. HTH, H a ND.
Uh, Debian unstable is obviously going to have unstable things... why would you rant about that? It's only when Ubuntu claims they are "stable" that such a rant makes sense.
On 10/21/07, Jason D. Clinton me@jasonclinton.com wrote:
Solution: stop using Ubuntu and switch to the distro that they steal all their package from: Debian. The X.org package which was ripped verbatim from Debian is correctly marked "unstable" in their repositories.
And this bugs me. Does Debian produce all of *their* packages in house, or do the "steal" them from the original developers and other distros? I thought the nice thing about Linux was choosing what packages you like, from where, and use them as you see fit (within the terms of the license). Just because a distro uses packages from another distro shouldn't be called "stealing" (and it's not), it should be called "down streaming". Anyway, isn't imitation the most sincere form of flattery? Oh, wait Ubuntu doesn't try to imitate Debian...
Jon.
The Xrandr control panel applent included in Gnome 2.20 does not support Xrandr version 1.2 which is what ships in X.org version 7.3. To accieve your goal (without switching distros) you will need to install the xrandr 1.2 command line utilty and use one of its parameters to set the resolution to what you want. Once you have the command line that does this, you can add it to your "session" in the Gnome control panel so that it is executed every time that Gnome starts up.
On 10/21/07, Leo Mauler webgiant@yahoo.com wrote:
I just upgraded to Ubuntu 7.10. Now the screen resolution is stuck at 1600x1200. My monitor is straining to do this resolution and the screen is all bendy. I can't adjust the monitor itself to work with the new resolution as this monitor is shared between three other computers and would need to be readjusted back to the prior settings every time I pressed the KVM switch.
I have been to System > Preferences > Screen Resolution. I pull down the menu and select the resolution which has always worked well, which is 1024x768. I press Apply. The screen resolution *does not change*, but I get a dialog box saying "do you want to keep this resolution or revert to the old resolution?" Selecting "keep this resolution" does not change the resolution to 1024x768.
I've tried Ctrl-Alt-Shift + to change screen resolutions. For some reason 1024x768 is not an option in the list.
I'm presuming that editing a config file is in order. I have no problem doing this and understand the need to back things up. However, I have only done XFree86 config files and don't know what to do with xorg.
Incidentally, 1600x1200 has always been the resolution used by the graphical login screen. I've wanted to change the initial resolution to 1024x768 as well, but I don't know how to do that either. Frankly I just hate graphical login screens, but I can't do without my GUI for normal computer use.
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Actually, I looked up the bug and it's almost certainly your graphics card driver that is the issue. The gnome-randr-applet hasn't been updated; the control panel applet has been. What is your graphics card driver?
On 10/21/07, Leo Mauler webgiant@yahoo.com wrote:
I just upgraded to Ubuntu 7.10. Now the screen resolution is stuck at 1600x1200. My monitor is straining to do this resolution and the screen is all bendy. I can't adjust the monitor itself to work with the new resolution as this monitor is shared between three other computers and would need to be readjusted back to the prior settings every time I pressed the KVM switch.
I did some poking around over the weekend and discovered /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
In this file I discovered essentially the same video display text I remembered from editing XFree86 config files. As root I backed up the original xorg.conf, then edited all the "Mode" lines in xorg.conf to only have "1024x768" and "800x600" in them, keeping 800x600 just as a backup alternative. "1024x768" is set as the default for all color depths.
Now not only does the regular desktop stay at 1024x768, the graphical login screen has also become 1024x768.
It wasn't the Ubuntu "the end user is always an idiot" philosophy, but it worked.
--- Leo Mauler webgiant@yahoo.com wrote:
I just upgraded to Ubuntu 7.10. Now the screen resolution is stuck at 1600x1200. My monitor is straining to do this resolution and the screen is all bendy.
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On 10/22/07, Leo Mauler webgiant@yahoo.com wrote:
I did some poking around over the weekend and discovered /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
In this file I discovered essentially the same video display text I remembered from editing XFree86 config files. As root I backed up the original xorg.conf, then edited all the "Mode" lines in xorg.conf to only have "1024x768" and "800x600" in them, keeping 800x600 just as a backup alternative. "1024x768" is set as the default for all color depths.
Now not only does the regular desktop stay at 1024x768, the graphical login screen has also become 1024x768.
It wasn't the Ubuntu "the end user is always an idiot" philosophy, but it worked.
That was doing by hand what my tip of using "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" would have done through "official" software with a text interface. You can select and change most of the modeline stuff you want, if you want, or you could just select the resolutions you want. Also, by using the dpkg system it automatically makes a datestamp-named backup for the file.
Jon.
--- Jon Pruente jdpruente@gmail.com wrote:
On 10/22/07, Leo Mauler webgiant@yahoo.com wrote:
I did some poking around over the weekend and discovered /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
In this file I discovered essentially the same video display text I remembered from editing XFree86 config files. As root I backed up the original xorg.conf, then edited all the "Mode" lines in xorg.conf to only have "1024x768" and "800x600" in them, keeping 800x600 just as a backup alternative. "1024x768" is set as the default for all color depths.
That was doing by hand what my tip of using "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" would have done through "official" software with a text interface.
I tried "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", and all it did was change the file for me, without a menu or any kind of user interaction, delete all the Display entries except the 24-bit color entry, and set the default to 1600x1200.
Perhaps this is yet another Ubuntu 7.10 bug, as printing has stopped working after the "upgrade". Yes, I reinstalled the printer, twice now. It isn't the printer either, as the machine is dual-boot and Windows prints just fine on the same printer attached to the same computer. After upgrading to 7.10 there is the additional problem that, most of the time, Nautilus crashes when it enters a directory containing video files.
What is the "rollback" command for Ubuntu? Or am I stuck reinstalling Ubuntu 7.04?
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On 10/29/07, Leo Mauler webgiant@yahoo.com wrote:
I tried "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", and all it did was change the file for me, without a menu or any kind of user interaction, delete all the Display entries except the 24-bit color entry, and set the default to 1600x1200.
Did you just do the reconfig, or did you drop in the -p high flag? That result sounds like you used the flag, which I mentioned was very automatic. I've just done the command (without the flag) on my 7.10 system and got the same text interface I've had in the previous versions.
Perhaps this is yet another Ubuntu 7.10 bug, as printing has stopped working after the "upgrade". Yes, I reinstalled the printer, twice now. It isn't the printer either, as the machine is dual-boot and Windows prints just fine on the same printer attached to the same computer. After upgrading to 7.10 there is the additional problem that, most of the time, Nautilus crashes when it enters a directory containing video files.
I don't have a printer or video files on my 7.10 system, so no comment. :) I also don't think there's a rollback: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/15631 But you can try: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DowngradeHowto as linked to from that first link.
Jon.
--- Jon Pruente jdpruente@gmail.com wrote:
I also don't think there's a rollback: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/ 15631 But you can try: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DowngradeHowto as linked to from that first link.
I'm thinking I'm going to want to re-install completely if it comes to downgrading Ubuntu, mostly because of the last line after the last step in downgrading Ubuntu:
"The last step probably will end up a catastrophic mess of incompletely installed packages."
Since the dawn of time, going back to an older version of nearly any software has resulted in chaos, so I suppose it was a bit too naive of me to think that Ubuntu wasn't going to follow The Laws Of Software (with apologies to Issac Asimov for stealing and re-wording his concept).
The First Law: "Software is allowed to harm your data, or, through inaction, allow your data to come to harm."
The Second Law: "Software will not follow direct orders of humans, especially when those orders concern not harming your data."
The Third Law: "Software may commit ritual suicide on a regular basis, especially if it will harm your data."
There's also the Zeroth Law: "Software is allowed to harm other peoples' data too, or, through inaction, allow other peoples' data to come to harm."
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Leo Mauler wrote:
--- Jon Pruente jdpruente@gmail.com wrote:
I also don't think there's a rollback: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/ 15631 But you can try: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DowngradeHowto as linked to from that first link.
I'm thinking I'm going to want to re-install completely if it comes to downgrading Ubuntu, mostly because of the last line after the last step in downgrading Ubuntu:
"The last step probably will end up a catastrophic mess of incompletely installed packages."
I don't know about ubuntu, but I had to downgrade a couple of debian systems and was able to do so without much incident.
I was trying to pull in a couple of packages from testing or unstable and still learning my way around the apt configuration files. Anyway, I wound up with the whole system about 1/2 upgraded to testing and/or unstable, rather than just installing the one or two packages I was interested in.
Bumping the Pin-Priority of the desired version (stable) over 1000 and doing a series of dist-upgrades eventually got everything back to normal.
Proper configuration of /etc/apt/preferences then kept things that way! :)
Good luck!
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