What happens over time as Hitler is slowly fogotten? Will somone else replace him, like Ashcroft?
From: "Dustin Decker" dustin.decker@1on1security.com Reply-To: dustin.decker@1on1security.com To: kclug@kclug.org Subject: RE: BitTorrent + INDUCE Act + Linspire 5.0 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:19:49 -0500
It's not about winning - nor did I myself actually invoke Godwin's Law (which if you do your research you'll find isn't effective); I left that to someone else.
I _did_ however do my best to make it easy for the word Hitler to find its way into this thread by other means. The whole idea was a hope that this ridiculous thread, filled with folks who won't even "agree to disagree", might come to an end. It's a polite way to say, "Shut the **** up, you're dancing with /dev/null!"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
D.
-----Original Message----- From: kclug-bounces@kclug.org [mailto:kclug-bounces@kclug.org] On Behalf Of Leo Mauler Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:34 AM To: Brian Densmore Cc: kclug@kclug.org Subject: RE: BitTorrent + INDUCE Act + Linspire 5.0
--- Brian Densmore DensmoreB@ctbsonline.com wrote:
Is it possible to invoke Godwin's law by naming Eva Braun, it being a circular reference to Hitler? Or does that invoke the corollary of Godwin's law? Or is it in itself a circular reference to Godwin's law?
I think its a good time to point out that "Godwin's Law" is nothing more and nothing less a statement of the probability of Hitler being mentioned in a given discussion, being that the probability of Hitler being mentioned in a UseNet discussion ("Godwin's Law" was originally developed on UseNet NEWS) is directly proportional to the length of the UseNet discussion.
It does not make any mention of who "wins" the discussion, a common misconception about "Godwin's Law".
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Uh oh, looks like we're going to have to start quoting "Sissel's Law". :)
Seriously, I don't think anyone will let us forget Hitler. No matter how watered down the memory gets, everyone will remember him, at least, as a Really Bad Man Who Did Bad Things To People.
--- James Sissel jamessissel@hotmail.com wrote:
What happens over time as Hitler is slowly fogotten? Will somone else replace him, like Ashcroft?
From: "Dustin Decker"
dustin.decker@1on1security.com
Reply-To: dustin.decker@1on1security.com To: kclug@kclug.org Subject: RE: BitTorrent + INDUCE Act + Linspire 5.0 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:19:49 -0500
It's not about winning - nor did I myself actually
invoke Godwin's Law
(which if you do your research you'll find isn't
effective); I left that to
someone else.
I _did_ however do my best to make it easy for the
word Hitler to find its
way into this thread by other means. The whole
idea was a hope that this
ridiculous thread, filled with folks who won't even
"agree to disagree",
might come to an end. It's a polite way to say,
"Shut the **** up, you're
dancing with /dev/null!"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
D.
-----Original Message----- From: kclug-bounces@kclug.org
[mailto:kclug-bounces@kclug.org] On Behalf
Of Leo Mauler Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:34 AM To: Brian Densmore Cc: kclug@kclug.org Subject: RE: BitTorrent + INDUCE Act + Linspire
5.0
--- Brian Densmore DensmoreB@ctbsonline.com
wrote:
Is it possible to invoke Godwin's law by
naming
Eva Braun, it being a circular reference to Hitler? Or does that invoke the corollary of Godwin's law? Or is it in itself a circular reference to Godwin's law?
I think its a good time to point out that
"Godwin's
Law" is nothing more and nothing less a
statement of
the probability of Hitler being mentioned in a
given
discussion, being that the probability of Hitler
being
mentioned in a UseNet discussion ("Godwin's Law"
was
originally developed on UseNet NEWS) is directly proportional to the length of the UseNet
discussion.
It does not make any mention of who "wins" the discussion, a common misconception about
"Godwin's
Law".
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"Leo Mauler" webgiant@yahoo.com wrote:
Uh oh, looks like we're going to have to start quoting "Sissel's Law". :)
Seriously, I don't think anyone will let us forget Hitler. No matter how watered down the memory gets, everyone will remember him, at least, as a Really Bad Man Who Did Bad Things To People.
Here's Monster's Commentary on Mauler's Corollary to Sissel's Law:
Hitler will always be remembered as the person to whom some people compare others, in order to make them seem bad. Unfortunately, by doing so, they usually end up making their intended target look pretty darned benign by comparison. Godwin's Law comes into play when people (including myself) make 'slippery slope' arguments:
A: The people have voted, and their will should be respected; <insert populist target here> must be ended now! B: The majority of Athenian citizens voted to condemn Socrates for his dangerous ideas. The majority thought the earth was flat, until Columbus and Magellan proved them wrong. The majority of the settlers that came to some of the colonies as a result, thought that slavery was OK, and when that was repealed, they supported Jim Crow after that. (Just to bring it on topic, a majority of desktop computer users run Windows, and apparently equate file sharing to terrorism.) And, by the way, Hitler was elected. I believe that certain things are wrong no matter how large the number of people willing to do them, and that no majority is large enough to validate them. A: You mentioned Hitler, so the thread's over and I win! B: No, because I don't believe in Godwin. A: Well, yo mama dresses you funny!
Monty J. Harder wrote:
"Leo Mauler" webgiant@yahoo.com wrote:
Uh oh, looks like we're going to have to start quoting "Sissel's Law". :)
Seriously, I don't think anyone will let us forget Hitler. No matter how watered down the memory gets, everyone will remember him, at least, as a Really Bad Man Who Did Bad Things To People.
And thus Hitler became an archetype sometimes claimed as so needful to make points in arguments we'd have to have invented him were he not real .
Here's Monster's Commentary on Mauler's Corollary to Sissel's Law:
Hitler will always be remembered as the person to whom some people compare others, in order to make them seem bad. Unfortunately, by doing so, they usually end up making their intended target look pretty darned benign by comparison. Godwin's Law comes into play when people (including myself) make 'slippery slope' arguments:
My humble take is that Godwin's Law was a social patch for mail /news readers lacking a thread kill feature .
A: The people have voted, and their will should be respected;<insert populist target here> must be ended now! B: The majority of Athenian citizens voted to condemn Socrates for his dangerous ideas. The majority thought the earth was flat, until Columbus and Magellan proved them wrong. The majority of the settlers that came to some of the colonies as a result, thought that slavery was OK, and when that was repealed, they supported Jim Crow after that. (Just to bring it on topic, a majority of desktop computer users run Windows, and apparently equate file sharing to terrorism.) And, by the way, Hitler was elected. I believe that certain things are wrong no matter how large the number of people willing to do them, and that no majority is large enough to validate them. A: You mentioned Hitler, so the thread's over and I win! B: No, because I don't believe in Godwin. A: Well, yo mama dresses you funny!
Yo mama ? wasn't he a violin player ?
Oren
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Oren Beck wrote:
Monty J. Harder wrote:
B: No, because I don't believe in Godwin.
A: Well, yo mama dresses you funny!Yo mama ? wasn't he a violin player ?
Oren
No. That was Yoyo Ma.
Brian Kelsay wrote:
Oren Beck wrote:
Monty J. Harder wrote:
B: No, because I don't believe in Godwin.A: Well, yo mama dresses you funny!Yo mama ? wasn't he a violin player ?
Oren
No. That was Yoyo Ma.
No, he was a celloist. I thought Yo Momma was a basketball player.
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