Again, these stats are suspect simply because they are from a relatively niche sample. No argument Ubuntu does great in non-paid space, but that ain't a sustainable business model.
And in enterprise compute, I simply never hear of Ubuntu. So if I were to do a quick survey of that niche space it'd look awful for Canonical.
There are three kinds of lies. Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
"jldugger@gmail.com" jldugger@gmail.com wrote:
Meanwhile, on Linode[1]...
48% Ubuntu 24% Debian 16% CentOS 4.3% Fedora 3.1% Gentoo
Now granted, #1 in nonpaying customers is kind of a tough spot to be in. And the RHEL pricing model doesn't lend itself to The Cloud. I imagine Canonical has a paid agreement to cater their OS to EC2, but we can't read their 10-K's so we'll never know.
Justin
[1] http://www.linode.com/about/
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 11:35 PM, thomas@redhat.com thomas@redhat.com wrote:
The reason I said "depending on which report you read" is that "market share leadership" is such a nebulous term, it depends on how it's defined. Some reports I've seen say we have 85% of paid Linux revenue. Some reports say 55% of paid Linux server count. Still others say we're on 70% of all factory prepossessing of Linux.
Frankly, I find all of these suspect for a slew of reasons from statistical accuracy to methodology to just plain common sense.
Probably the closest thing to truth I can find - and even this is probably not the best yardstick - is revenue. Don't take my word for it, our 10K is public, as is Novell 's.
Also Gartner and IDC have some decent data on things like server sales and OS sales. Go look at those.
But the assertion that only managers and marketing types like RHEL, and real men like Debian is just absurd. What runs the NYSE? What does the FAA use to support the ~8000 planes in the air in US airspace every day? Hint: it ain't Debian.
TC
Jonathan Hutchins hutchins@tarcanfel.org wrote:
On Monday 23 May 2011 04:17:54 pm thomas@redhat.com wrote:
We own between 65 and 85 percent of the Linux server market, depending on which report you read. Debian based distros are not really even a blip on the radar from a commercial standpoint.
Based on number of licenses sold, or total revenue?
IBM has a big share of the POS market, and their POS system is based on SuSE. They don't count the licenses on a per-terminal basis as far as I know, so their "market share" would be skewed too. ?I know of only one very small specialty POS system based on RHEL. _______________________________________________ KCLUG mailing list KCLUG@kclug.org http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug _______________________________________________ KCLUG mailing list KCLUG@kclug.org http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug
I'll add my two cents.
It's going to be awful hard to pin down a number. RH probably makes the most money in the server market, but debian servers are frequently free.
How are you going to account for numbers? Especially if the server is set up not to report the distro?
My server runs on debian, straight and pure. Why? Stability. I maintain it, and it the one distro I haven't broken to a point I need to format and re-install. I've borked RH, Mandriva and just hated the package management in SuSE. I've bought retail versions of all of those.
That said, I can see how big companies would lean to RH or SuSE or such over debian. I can't even imagine building a Ubuntu server. Madness, sheer madness.
JMNSHO, Jack
--- On Tue, 5/24/11, thomas@redhat.com thomas@redhat.com wrote:
From: thomas@redhat.com thomas@redhat.com Subject: Re: most commonly used Linux version? To: "jldugger@gmail.com" jldugger@gmail.com Cc: kclug@kclug.org Date: Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 7:51 AM Again, these stats are suspect simply because they are from a relatively niche sample. No argument Ubuntu does great in non-paid space, but that ain't a sustainable business model.
And in enterprise compute, I simply never hear of Ubuntu. So if I were to do a quick survey of that niche space it'd look awful for Canonical.
There are three kinds of lies. Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
"jldugger@gmail.com" jldugger@gmail.com wrote:
Meanwhile, on Linode[1]...
48% Ubuntu 24% Debian 16% CentOS 4.3% Fedora 3.1% Gentoo
Now granted, #1 in nonpaying customers is kind of a tough spot to be in. And the RHEL pricing model doesn't lend itself to The Cloud. I imagine Canonical has a paid agreement to cater their OS to EC2, but we can't read their 10-K's so we'll never know.
Justin
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RH was first to the party with big support contracts. They managed to get the mindshare of the ISVs and the 3rd party hardware folks. Thus, if you're paying, you're running RHEL. The cheapskates are running CentOS and they're suffering along … folks running Cent4 have been finding out that it doesn't support modern hardware all that well (e.g. built-in ethers on Intel H55 mobos), yet they're stuck with it as the APIs and better yet Perl packages changed enough (and some 3rd party freeware vendors withdrew support, going to a paid model) going to Cent5/RHEL5 that they're stuck on 4 until they put some brainpower behind it. (JH wouldn't know of anyone like that, no siree)
For desktops, I've seen companies that run on Ubuntu. I've also seen developers at companies that run RHEL/Cent on their servers prefer Ubuntu for their development desktops. It's all a matter of taste, and who set stuff up. Mindshare at the C-level will often dictate what goes on in the trenches, so we can't discount that.
Given my druthers, I put my essential services on *BSD boxen simply because they are so much more stable and less riddled with holes, from the filesystem to the services.
On May 24, 2011, at 9:51 AM, thomas@redhat.com wrote:
Again, these stats are suspect simply because they are from a relatively niche sample. No argument Ubuntu does great in non-paid space, but that ain't a sustainable business model.
And in enterprise compute, I simply never hear of Ubuntu. So if I were to do a quick survey of that niche space it'd look awful for Canonical.
There are three kinds of lies. Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
"jldugger@gmail.com" jldugger@gmail.com wrote:
Meanwhile, on Linode[1]...
48% Ubuntu 24% Debian 16% CentOS 4.3% Fedora 3.1% Gentoo
Now granted, #1 in nonpaying customers is kind of a tough spot to be in. And the RHEL pricing model doesn't lend itself to The Cloud. I imagine Canonical has a paid agreement to cater their OS to EC2, but we can't read their 10-K's so we'll never know.
Justin
[1] http://www.linode.com/about/
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 11:35 PM, thomas@redhat.com thomas@redhat.com wrote:
The reason I said "depending on which report you read" is that "market share leadership" is such a nebulous term, it depends on how it's defined. Some reports I've seen say we have 85% of paid Linux revenue. Some reports say 55% of paid Linux server count. Still others say we're on 70% of all factory prepossessing of Linux.
Frankly, I find all of these suspect for a slew of reasons from statistical accuracy to methodology to just plain common sense.
Probably the closest thing to truth I can find - and even this is probably not the best yardstick - is revenue. Don't take my word for it, our 10K is public, as is Novell 's.
Also Gartner and IDC have some decent data on things like server sales and OS sales. Go look at those.
But the assertion that only managers and marketing types like RHEL, and real men like Debian is just absurd. What runs the NYSE? What does the FAA use to support the ~8000 planes in the air in US airspace every day? Hint: it ain't Debian.
TC
Jonathan Hutchins hutchins@tarcanfel.org wrote:
On Monday 23 May 2011 04:17:54 pm thomas@redhat.com wrote:
We own between 65 and 85 percent of the Linux server market, depending on which report you read. Debian based distros are not really even a blip on the radar from a commercial standpoint.
Based on number of licenses sold, or total revenue?
IBM has a big share of the POS market, and their POS system is based on SuSE. They don't count the licenses on a per-terminal basis as far as I know, so their "market share" would be skewed too. ?I know of only one very small specialty POS system based on RHEL. _______________________________________________ KCLUG mailing list KCLUG@kclug.org http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug _______________________________________________ KCLUG mailing list KCLUG@kclug.org http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug
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