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Re-examine what WAS intended Vs has become RE:GPL, Free, Open as CONCEPTS. RFC?
by Oren Beck 15 Nov '07

15 Nov '07

Ok folks-it's been rather amusing to see Truth's Decay curve at work. Akin to a Star Trek plot where the "words' were Elided and rote parroted absent a true perception of their INTENT! There was a night to paraphrase details - where someone was getting deeper into a hole arguing with Mr Combs about Ethereal. IIRC what it could and could not do. The summary of what I only saw/heard a fraction of was that a guest at our "Breakfast" was proclaiming himself- and -not- Mr Combs - as the area's top Ethereal expert... now a glance at - http://www.wireshark.org/about.html Sort of sets the stage for what I do next. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html Is the De Minimus obligation we should insert in public discourse RE: GPL issues. Some may not know of it. Others would profit from READING it. Before flames ensue -let's all review the concepts that begat this. There was a flap over "Standards Groups" It polarized the affected alignments. WE began comment. Sadly we ourselves began to become THEM. We forgot to refer to sources! And even my well intentioned attempt seems pre-doomed for reasons best seen in hindsight.. I tried to express that the "Standards Group" was an assault upon the literal spirit of consensus. Seems I failed. Maybe we need to revisit the RFC model?

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What is involved in an "Open Standard" truly being so?
by Oren Beck 15 Nov '07

15 Nov '07

Open Standard. 2 words that are being abused or distorted.. Either singly or as a "self qualifying " term. Open means what it says and says what it means. As should Standard. So any tangible work or expressible code should either pass or fail examination for those terms BOTH applying. Either a Standard is Open and meets every criteria for that term applying or it is misused. Either something is in compliance with a Standard that passes the first test for being Open or it is neither. Thus a majority of what we have been misled are Open Standards are not. Oren Beck "Profiting from any part of restricting access to the totality of what defines a standard should be ethically suspect. See the intents of GPL for good reasons to adopt such an ethics position."

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Forced routing
by Kelly McLaughlin 14 Nov '07

14 Nov '07

Greetings all, ( Hi Monty and Jim ) I need to specify communication from a multicast IP to communicate on a specific Network Card. My routing table appears as follows: Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt I Face 216.198.99.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.192 U 0 0 0 eth1 10.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 0.0.0.0 216.198.99.254 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 I have 2 network cards. One with the adress of 216.198.99.247 and a second NIC with an adress of 10.0.0.2. The NIC with the 10. address is what I want to use for a failover communication with a second server. The failover communication software uses a multicast address of 229.255.0.1. The default gateway is attached to the 216. network. And ping tests result in the following: Pinging from 10. NIC I can only receive replies from the other 10. address. From the 216. NIC I receive replies from everything but I cannot establish the failover on this NIC. What I want to do is tell my computer ( Red Hat Enterprise Linux V.3 ) to force communication from 229.255.0.1 across the 10.0.0.2 network card. If I can accomplish this I believe my failover will work. Thank you very much in advance for your assistance. Note: I am not a Linux professional so please be very clear about suggestions. Thanks Again, Kelly McLaughlin Tech Support Mokan Dial Inc. Louisburg, Ks. 913-837-2219 Ext. 16

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Potential meeting place pictures
by Billy Crook 14 Nov '07

14 Nov '07

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Re: Would Lin?ux have been affected by such virus preloads
by Eric Johnson 14 Nov '07

14 Nov '07

I hate gmail's reply options - send this to the group. On Nov 14, 2007 10:39 AM, Eric Johnson <ericlj63(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On Nov 14, 2007 9:03 AM, Philip Dorr <tagno25(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > why would government agencies use large portable hard drives to store > > > databases? > > Perhaps waiting for tape seemed a bit much for off-site data backups > of TB-sized file systems. Just because The Thai newspeople say > database doesn't mean the database was actually running on removable > media. -- Eric Johnson "Where your pleasure is, there is your treasure: where your treasure, there your heart; where your heart, there your happiness." Saint Augustine

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Re: Have you seen THIS? Most of it seems right up our alley in scripting to outdo...
by Philip Dorr 13 Nov '07

13 Nov '07

If some one (else) wants to try it I can send you an invite > Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 19:28:13 -0600 > From: "Monty J. Harder" <mjharder(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Have you seen THIS? Most of it seems right up our alley > in scripting to outdo... > To: "Oren Beck" <orenbeck(a)gmail.com> > Cc: kclug <kclug(a)kclug.org> > Message-ID: > <97ef72660711091728x11ec8000s76549728f517091e(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > This thing looks like it works the way Avaya does for me. A person calls my > company's main number, then my extension, and the Avaya IP Agent lets me > know a call is coming in. I click a button to accept the call, pick up a > phone in my home office, and I'm connected to that customer, who has no idea > I'm not in our corporate HQ in Tampa unless I tell them I'm actually in KC. > If I had this setup on a company laptop, I could go anywhere, put in the > phone number I'm at, and be able to take calls on this "Virtual PBX". > > (I also use it to make outgoing calls, but that may not be a feature of this > service.) > > I would expect ISPs like Time-Warner Cable that are offering local phone > service to package some of the features of this service (like forwardable > voice mail, call screening, forwarding etc.) to gain marketshare from the > RBOCs. > > On Nov 9, 2007 5:55 PM, Oren Beck <orenbeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > http://grandcentral.com/howitworks/webcall_button > > > > I dunno if it's patented nor even patentable. > > > > But if we do it and it is it's certain that the lawyers will swiftly let > > us know.

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New Meeting Location?
by Jim Herrmann 12 Nov '07

12 Nov '07

I am sitting at Paul & Jacks in North Kansas City. They now have Wi-fi! I tested it and got 5M down and 500K up, so it's a very good connection. They have food and drinks including beer! They are open until at least 10:00 p.m., but are willing to stay open longer if we have enough people. They also have a back room that will seat at least 16 people at the table. I'm thinking we should consider moving our meeting here. It's a nice place with a fast internet connection, and did I mention that they serve beer! Not to mention the killer tenderloin and awesome chili. We can discuss at tomorrow's meeting. Peace, Jim

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Free HP Deskjet 712C w/ ink
by David Ambs 12 Nov '07

12 Nov '07

Anyone want this? There's 3 black and 3 colored cartridges with it, expired though, but within a year or so. The wife used this printer for years, then it started printing her address labels off by like 1/8" so she wanted a new one, haha. It works great otherwise, and with extra ink, how can ya go wrong? Let me know if ya want it, or else it goes on craigslist. Btw, it should work in Linux just fine with cups, although I can't say I've done such in a long time. -dave 0xFA904573

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Who here feels qualified to represent us at Micro Center for getting an EEE demo for ITEC?
by Oren Beck 10 Nov '07

10 Nov '07

Ok- here's a mutual exposure window. At ITEC.With KCLUG people to explain Linux.. Micro Center as the closest retailer of the EEE The wild fantasy of Micro Center doing a charity raffle of the demo unit. Oren

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Have you seen THIS? Most of it seems right up our alley in scripting to outdo...
by Oren Beck 10 Nov '07

10 Nov '07

http://grandcentral.com/howitworks/webcall_button I dunno if it's patented nor even patentable. But if we do it and it is it's certain that the lawyers will swiftly let us know. Oren

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