August 2008 - KCLUG

Opportunity lost
by Sean Crago 15 Aug '08

15 Aug '08

>Can anybody suggest some local agencies which focus on IT temping and >temp-to-hire? >People can reply to me offlist. Damn - The only post that could possibly lead to an interesting and informative discussion rather than filling my mailbox five digests/day filled with Slashdot-style +2 rants and yet no public replies requested? * le sigh * -Sean

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RE: Reply from Congressman Emanuel Cleaver concerning OrphanWorksActof 2008
by Phil Thayer 15 Aug '08

15 Aug '08

Well, I am sorry to hear that you have been laboring for so long below minimum wage. If I live in a nice house and obviously have the means to help others, and there are people that come to my door for help, if I do not answer the door then I am being irresponsible. It is not a bad thing to have money and be wealthy (relative to the countries we are discussing we are very wealthy), it is another thing to be responsible with that wealth and not use it for the betterment of others. I don't understand people who feel so threatened by people from other countries coming over here to try and make a better life for their families back in their countries. Personally, I admire them for having the courage to do what is necessary in life to try and give their kids a better life. If they make the money here to send their kids to a better school, then maybe their kids will not be coming here to work but will be working in their own country. Probably doing the jobs that we will not be able to do in the future because of the lowering of the educational systems here in the US. Phil From: James Sissel [mailto:jimsissel@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:45 PM To: Phil Thayer Subject: RE: Reply from Congressman Emanuel Cleaver concerning OrphanWorksActof 2008 And have you ever worked one of "those" jobs? I have for years and your arguments are very hollow. Let them stay in their own country and make their own contry better. Just because you live in a shit house doesn't give you the right to break into my nice house and live there. Phil Thayer <phil.thayer(a)vitalsite.com> wrote: I agree with you. However, when the procedure to become legal becomes so cumbersome that a person's family may starve or otherwise not survive, then it becomes a necessity to them. At the same time there are jobs here that due to the type of work it is and the pay scale nobody is willing to take except the people who are desperate enough to put their lives at risk to come here and work them. The combination of these two elements mean one of two things will happen. Either we will have a continuing influx of illegal aliens doing the work that nobody else wants to do or the jobs that nobody else wants to do will be moved overseas and everyone will be mad about jobs moving overseas. At least of the illegal aliens are here in the US working they will be paying taxes just like we do. If the jobs go overseas we will not have that tax revenue and all of our taxes will go up. Phil From: kclug-bounces(a)kclug.org [mailto:kclug-bounces@kclug.org] On Behalf Of Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:19 PM To: kclug(a)kclug.org Subject: RE: Reply from Congressman Emanuel Cleaver concerning OrphanWorksActof 2008 Not to be political, but the key part of the phrase is "illegal". If a person is not in a country legally, then they should have a different set of expectations about how the society they've invaded will react to them. An illegal alien from any country cannot expect to receive the same benefits as a legal immigrant or a natural citizen. Por exemplo, I cannot go to Mexico for anything longer than a brief visit, although a visa may not be required. And the US requires some proof of citizenship upon reentry. I can drive to Canada and visit briefly, but cannot work there without a work visa. If I want medical care while I'm there, I believe it is emergency treatment only and I'd have to return to the states to get my insurance to cover procedures. Follow the laws and its not such a bog deal. Someday, we may be able to come and go between all countries and live and work where we please, crossing borders pell-mell, but for now there are many reasons for the laws in place in each country governing the comings and goings of people. Brian Kelsay ________________________________ From: kclug-bounces(a)kclug.org [mailto:kclug-bounces@kclug.org] On Behalf Of Phil Thayer Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:09 PM To: watts(a)jayhawks.net; James Sissel Cc: kclug(a)kclug.org Subject: RE: Reply from Congressman Emanuel Cleaver concerning Orphan WorksActof 2008 Really? The Mexicans wrote GNOME? I didn't know that. The comment about support for illegal aliens might be construed as racist but, I think it is just paranoia about losing a low paying job that nobody else in the US wants to do anyways. From: kclug-bounces(a)kclug.org [mailto:kclug-bounces@kclug.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Watts Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 1:52 PM To: James Sissel Cc: kclug(a)kclug.org Subject: Re: Reply from Congressman Emanuel Cleaver concerning Orphan WorksAct of 2008 Espero que no usas GNOME, que fue escrito por los mexicanos, después de todo! Espero que algún día la gente pueda superar su racismo hacia hispanos. Jeffrey. P.S. By the way, this is a Linux list. Just in case you've forgotten. Good luck in November. On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 11:05 AM, James Sissel <jimsissel(a)yahoo.com> wrote: I've emailed our esteemed Representative several times about various issues. His support for illegal aliens, high gas prices and the Socialist (oops, Democrats) refusal to do anything, grand theft in the form of taxes that he supports and wants to increase, etc. In my humble opinion he needs to be replaced during the next election. The man was a horrible Mayor and an even worse Congressman. His goal is a Socialist government that will control every aspect of our lives (and he's running it, of course). Not exactly "open source" philosophy. _______________________________________________ Kclug mailing list Kclug(a)kclug.org http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug

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RE: what ever happened to linux?(Rep. Cleaver/immigration rants, etc.)
by John 14 Aug '08

14 Aug '08

I find the signal to noise ratio with the topics my primary reason for ignoring most of what comes across the list. I originally came out to the meetings and joined the list for intelligent discussion of tech related topics at any level. The mailing list however rarely presents that sort of thing anymore. Now that I am working a late shift, I can't make it to the meetings and even though the topics vary there, generally some tech related stuff is brought up. While the list isn't moderated, there is also a disregard it seems for promoting tech topics over bickering about economics, social issues, religion, politics and US law. The closest I have seen on the list to a tech topics lately was revolving ink cartridge refills for printers. Where is Linux? If half the enthusiasm thats being asserted for these topics was put towards Linux, great things might just happen. I certainly hope at some point that something more useful than who feels what about religion and politics actually comes from this list. What we have instead is folks that are set in their ways for one side or the other locked in perpetual debate that won't change the minds or opinions of the others. Why not propose a tech question or topic to discuss in a new thread? -John Frakes ----Original Message----- From: "Leo Mauler" <webgiant(a)yahoo.com> To: kclug(a)kclug.org Sent: 8/14/2008 3:23 AM Subject: Re: what ever happened to linux?(Rep. Cleaver/immigration rants, etc.) --- On Tue, 8/12/08, marlowe(a)antagonism.org <marlowe(a)antagonism.org> wrote: > I highly recommend KCLUG set up a BS list, similar > to LEAP, where non-Open Source discussions can take > place. I find this helps to minimize the signal to > noise ratio for those who wish to just concentrate > on OSS. In my experience creating a new mailing list for people to which to take their unrelated discussions, results in an empty BS list and the same level of OT discussions on the original list. Sometimes people just don't want to bother going somewhere else, and sometimes those on the free E-mail providers have used up all their E-mail filters already and don't have one free to use for yet another mailing list. Plus there's the added disincentive of the new BS list containing entirely inflammatory messages: no one wants to subscribe to a daily dose of inflammatory messages. Dodging the cow patties in the existing mailing list is somewhat preferable. Plus the instant you mention such a list, someone will start a "censorship!" flamewar, and none of us wants that. _______________________________________________ Kclug mailing list Kclug(a)kclug.org http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug

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Local IT temp companies?
by Chuck 14 Aug '08

14 Aug '08

Can anybody suggest some local agencies which focus on IT temping and temp-to-hire? People can reply to me offlist. Thanks! Chuck

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Instant On PC's bringing Linux to the Masses
by Phil Thayer 14 Aug '08

14 Aug '08

This is an interesting article from ZDNET http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=2400&tag=nl.e539 He even talks about with this technology, why even have Windows. Cool. Phillip C. Thayer Sr. System Engineer, Vital Support Systems 2700 Bi-State Dr. Suite 500 Kansas City, MO 64108 (816) 977-2220 - Desk (816) 985-0799 - Cell HP-UX / OpenVMS CSE Master ASE - HP StorageWorks AIS - HP Integrity Server Systems APP - Enterprise Solutions APC - HP Ent. Storage Solutions/Superdome

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Looking for "Time Bar"-style workgroup scheduler
by Leo Mauler 13 Aug '08

13 Aug '08

I'm trying to organize a rehearsal schedule for a local play (Alcott Arts Center, www.alcottartscenter.org; "Taming of the Shrew" (a play about love, anger management, and identity theft), August 22nd and 23rd) in which many of the actors have time limitations on when they are available for rehearsal. Today I was made aware of a system of employee scheduling called "Time Bar", which is represented in this Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timebar_scheduling I think that this kind of software would be ideal for the complexity of trying to figure out which scenes can be rehearsed on which days, based on the availability of the actors on each day. However, the Wikipedia article does not mention the software application used, and I can't seem to find any application which does "Time Bar" scheduling, Windows or Linux. I was hoping that someone on the list had already begun to use a Linux-based application (or maybe even a Windows application that runs fine in Wine) which does "Time Bar" scheduling.

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Re: HP Rant 2
by Luke -Jr 13 Aug '08

13 Aug '08

On Tuesday 12 August 2008, you wrote: > On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 12:58, Luke -Jr <luke(a)dashjr.org> wrote: > > On Tuesday 12 August 2008, you wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 12:37, Luke -Jr <luke(a)dashjr.org> wrote: > >> > On Tuesday 12 August 2008, you wrote: > >> > Last time I checked, any such condition on a warranty is illegal. > >> > >> Where did you check last time. Specifically? > > > > Last night when I began having issues using the refill. > > No. I meant where did you read that a warranty can not be voided for > misuse and abuse? That would be some really obnoxious government > regulation. Refilling ink isn't misuse nor abuse. > >> "Bonkers"? that language specifically detracts from the point. The > >> printer is malfunctioning because you damaged it by doing something it > >> wasn't designed for. What did you expect? > > > > It wasn't designed to print? A refilled cartridge should no more damage a > > printer than a non-root userland app with a security hole should damage > > the running kernel. > > The something you did, which it was not designed for (and I'm sure you > know this) was use a refilled cartridge. Oh, HP doesn't sell refilled cartridges? The name brand ones at the store are always manufactured new? I think not...

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Re: HP Rant 2
by Luke -Jr 12 Aug '08

12 Aug '08

On Tuesday 12 August 2008, you wrote: > On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 12:37, Luke -Jr <luke(a)dashjr.org> wrote: > > On Tuesday 12 August 2008, you wrote: > >> Not related to Linux. > > > > It doesn't work in Linux, either > > Nobody's stopping you from fixing that. I think I've done everything I can. > > Last time I checked, any such condition on a warranty is illegal. > > Where did you check last time. Specifically? Last night when I began having issues using the refill. Too bad my warranty expired a long time ago. > >> If you allowed a cartridge to get to 0% in the first place, the print > >> heads probably burned out. They are usually cooled by the ink itself > >> (because they're not designed to be reusable as stated clearly on the > >> packaging). User error. Good luck, try again next time. I refill my > >> Brother multifunction with the wrong type ink, and expect to completely > >> destroy it every time. I haven't yet. I guess I'm just lucky. Too > >> bad. It's about time for me to get a new printer. > > > > Please explain why this justifies the printer totally going bonkers? > > "Bonkers"? that language specifically detracts from the point. The > printer is malfunctioning because you damaged it by doing something it > wasn't designed for. What did you expect? It wasn't designed to print? A refilled cartridge should no more damage a printer than a non-root userland app with a security hole should damage the running kernel. > >> You might try buying new, unused, authentic HP cartridges before you > >> conclude that you have completely destroyed the printer. > > > > It has the same problem without the refilled cartridge. > > Then I suppose it's off to newegg/ebay/walmart you go. If you are > lucky, HP might choose to sell printers today that use with your older > printers' cartridges so you may recoup that investment. Be careful > with this next printer, and follow directions. Newegg has a black laser printer for $45 shipped. It'd be an easy choice if my current printer can be made to scan/fax/print colour still.

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Re: HP Rant 2
by Luke -Jr 12 Aug '08

12 Aug '08

On Tuesday 12 August 2008, you wrote: > Not related to Linux. It doesn't work in Linux, either. > Obvious incitement of HP hate-fest ranting. Based on facts. > "Refilled my black cartridge" That probably voids all warranty, and > if you read documentation, any promise that it will function at all, > again, ever. Last time I checked, any such condition on a warranty is illegal. > If you allowed a cartridge to get to 0% in the first place, the print heads > probably burned out. They are usually cooled by the ink itself (because > they're not designed to be reusable as stated clearly on the packaging). > User error. Good luck, try again next time. I refill my Brother > multifunction with the wrong type ink, and expect to completely destroy it > every time. I haven't yet. I guess I'm just lucky. Too bad. It's about > time for me to get a new printer. Please explain why this justifies the printer totally going bonkers? > You might try buying new, unused, authentic HP cartridges before you > conclude that you have completely destroyed the printer. It has the same problem without the refilled cartridge.

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HP Rant 2
by Luke -Jr 12 Aug '08

12 Aug '08

Refilled my black cartridge, but the stupid printer insisted it was still at 0%. Turns out to trick it I had to put 2 old/empty ones in first. Easy enough, but now that it recognizes the cartridge as full it always wants to align it. Nothing else. It gives some stupid media-jam-error when I try to print (there are no physical jams). At least before I tried refilling I could just print in red, but now I have nothing. I haven't tried the scan/fax functionality yet, but I'm betting they won't work either (especially since pressing any key so far gives me a "Busy" on the screen). HP needs to die. Or something. Grr, Luke

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