KCLUG January 2007

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Could this have been prevented with Linux? OR common sense?
by Oren Beck 16 Jan '07

16 Jan '07

http://www.norwichbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070106/NEWS01/7… Forgive the long link- but this is NOT a story that should go by uncommented. For if we do so, the "Who's next?" may be any innocent caught unaware. Read the story and be very afraid..

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back in the fold again . . .
by gary hildebrand 15 Jan '07

15 Jan '07

After having a major falling-out with CenturyTel and their #$%^ ISP service that excludes non-Windows users, I've told them to take a long walk off a short plank. I have recently picked up a Compaq Armada 700 laptop, and want to install SuSE 8.2 on it, or maybe up to 10.0 depending on ease . . . Has anyone had major problems with any install, or do some work better than others? I obviously don't want to have Winblows installed, except as a dual-boot machine. Gary Hildebrand St. Joseph, MO

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Re: Critical info (was Upgrading...)
by Jared 12 Jan '07

12 Jan '07

>> You mean to say "Are you paranoid if they really are out to get you." > > "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you." What is the link between geeks and paranoia? Both are obsessed with trivial, nearly useless pieces of information that no one else sees, or cares about. Both weave these tiny pieces of data into a coherent pattern, and then use insight from the pattern recursively to reveal specific anomolies with which they then tinker. When debugging, the geek does something constructive with the skill. When paranoid, the geek is simply thinking about himself too much. This email is trivial, and nearly useless, and therefore recursive. :) -Jared

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Re: Adobe
by Oren Beck 12 Jan '07

12 Jan '07

On 1/8/07, Oren Beck <orenbeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Ok- we have a few opinions favoring simplicity. > Here's my next re-imagination of what could be. > > The "page" currently can probe for some details of what's looking at it. > YES, that's an oversimplified explanation but for this concept it works. > So- as is already done by some sites- the "version" of what you see > is selected for your device or connection or both. But can we go a bit > farther? > As in an agreed upon default backchannel in the browser to tell sites > > "Show me <Blank> and do not ask me <blank> that GETS HONORED. > > The reward is:Sites honoring such a scheme will get customers > pre-selected for parts of the site's content and not annoy customers > with unwanted non revenue content > Which to me is that flood of "Plug-in" demands and the constant > begging us to update our <Blank> "To fully enjoy this site" > Or the more grim- it simply won't play at all with non-genuine MS. > Believe and puke- there are plans afoot to tie WGA to browser access! > . > And sadly we still have to code OUR sites to play nice with windows. > Now the inversion of course is sites hostile to non-explorer browsers. > > I put it like this- while one has a "right" to make sites allow or forbid > certain browsers in personal work- "Public" sites such as government > or educational do NOT have a "right" to block handicapped or nonMS users. >

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RE: Critical info (was Upgrading...)
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 11 Jan '07

11 Jan '07

You mean to say "Are you paranoid if they really are out to get you." ________________________________ From: Oren Beck Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 1:09 PM "Is it paranoia if there REALLY are hostile people in your daily world intent on catching you at something-or fabricating it- so they can justify their salary?"

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Re: Kclug Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10
by Shannon Miller 10 Jan '07

10 Jan '07

Give Xara Extreme a try.. http://www.xaraxtreme.org/ On Fri, 2007-01-05 at 13:37 -0600, kclug-request(a)kclug.org wrote: > It's interesting that "artist" was mentioned. I have resorted to > using wine > for art programs on linux. One of those programs which i have come to > love > because of the freedom (not free, but free to draw/paint) is > ArtRage. > Wonderfull program, a free version and the pay version is only 20.00. > > That brings me to my next question, outside of gimp, are there other > "artistic" programs for linux that compares to the quality of art > programs > on windows?

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RE: Upgrading from FC4 to Kubuntu???
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 10 Jan '07

10 Jan '07

This is exactly why I keep a separate /home directory. You can always slap it in another system and copy it over or wipe the other partitions and reinstall and all your crap is still there. Some of your dot files may need to be deleted, but should still work with newer program versions. You shouldn't need /var unless you put stuff like your website in there or files for FTP or mail files. Since I use web mail and have FTP directory on another drive that is not a problem. I only save /home before a new system load. And I do back that up prior to reload, usually. I've only had to save it from the dead once by breathing life back into the partition table, but then I like a good resurrection every now and then. >-----Original Message----- >From: On Behalf Of Jon Moss > >Since Fedora Legacy Project has gone belly up, I've been >rethinking what to do with the workstation my daughter (a high >school senior soon to be college >student) uses. It currently has FC4 installed. I'd like to >move her to Ubuntu (specifically kubuntu because she likes >KDE) but I'm not sure if I can "upgrade" to it from FC4. I'm >going to backup all of her files and photos to a CD or DVD, >but I'm afraid I'm going to miss something (and I'd rather not >back up the entire hard drive if I don't have to since the OS >or distro won't matter any longer). > >Has anyone ever done this? Upgrade from one distro to another? > >Or do I have to just wipe the hard drive and start from >scratch (like I would if it had Windows XP installed)? > >Happy New Year! > >Jon Moss

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RE: Subversion (svn)
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 10 Jan '07

10 Jan '07

With that kind of stuff, you need to make suggestions, discuss, decide, then issue a change order/control, then implement, as opposed to suggest, then change order about 5 min-1 hour before implement at 5 pm. Sometimes that is what they do in our bldg with XP patches handed down from on high. Not good when you create more problems for other people. We just say "Thank You I/O Lab in Ft. Collins, CO." >-----Original Message----- >From: Jon Pruente >Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 5:08 PM > >As I understand it they've got some big iron off 435 and 63rd >for a main data center. They've got a second, fail over, site >in St. Louis that they physically test once a month (as in >kill connections here and see if STL picks up) and a whole >bunch of smaller setups all over. > They've got some machines that have been *on* for about 30 >years. I really do hope they've got good security too, but >with their history in the industry, I think they do. I'm >fairly sure that's why my friends project only made the >suggestion of what to change, and would allow the local admin >for each machine to have the final decision of what to change. > >Jon. >

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Gentoo
by Jonathan Hutchins 09 Jan '07

09 Jan '07

Just clear up the impression of the personal dig, I don't hate Gentoo. It's interesting and amusing, and true to it's "ricer" image it's great fun to tinker with and tweak, to solve those little puzzles it's always throwing at you. Sometimes I'm in the mood for that, and I enjoy it. At other times, though, I require my computer to be a tool I use for work, and I don't want to be interrupted and to have to spend two days tracking down why sound failed _this_ time, just so I can have tunes while I work. (Or worse yet, why X won't run when I need something that's in an X-based app.) I think gentoo's advantages are mostly imagined and/or exaggerated. I notice this is frequently from people who like to spread FUD about RedHat, or binary distros in general. While I don't like where the RedHat distros are right now, I think they're a very valid, useful, valuable way to do things if you just need a system that does it's job. Unlike a majority of the LUG members, I don't write code, for a living or for fun. I know six mostly obsolete programming languages, and I can make scripts do some pretty amazing things, but I don't code. That means that some things that are important to coders aren't as important to me. I mainly mean to advocate the good qualities of binary distributions in general, and RPM based systems in particular. I mean to correct some of the exaggerated claims so that people who haven't tried gentoo or an RPM distro aren't misled.

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Re: Subversion (svn)
by Jared Jennings 09 Jan '07

09 Jan '07

I haven't been following the whole thread very well, but I do know that Novell's Identity Manager product, or even Access Manager 3, could resolve a lot of the issues very nicely. Jared >>> "David Nicol" <davidnicol(a)gmail.com> 01/09/07 2:19 PM >>> On 1/9/07, Jon Pruente <jdpruente(a)gmail.com> wrote: > tell the sysadmins what to change on the hundreds/thousands of systems > they have to consolidate and unify UIDs. It was then up the the > admins to make changes as needed so that it wouldn't break anything > during the process. > > Jon. The argument against unifying UIDs accross your enterprise is that it allows for security holes to become larger. Hopefully DST has some continuing intrusion monitoring in place before (or at least contemporaneously with) their unification effort.

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