KCLUG August 2006

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Polls re: new linux distribution
by Rich Edelman 24 Sep '06

24 Sep '06

Since the list has been slow lately, I figured I'd try to stir up some conversation/debate by asking a few questions. :) First a quick note. I'm an LFSer (Linux From Scratch) when I'm not using OpenSUSE. I've often thought of making some of my LFS packages available to the community, but haven't because of the nature of LFS. Anyway, I was thinking more about that tonight and decided to ask the list some questions. If you were to start a new linux distribution, what would you use for package management? rpm? dpkg? none (tar.bz2s)? portage? roll your own? What about managing dependencies and fetching packages from remote repositories? yast? apt? smart? yum? urpmi? portage? What architectures / hardware would you support? ppc? alpha? x86 / x86_64? On multilib capable arches (such as x86_64), would you support both 32 and 64 bit, or go 64 bit only? Would you go the way of Ubuntu, and work around Gnome mainly? Or the way SuSE traditionally was, and be mostly KDE oriented? There we go, I think that might get the ball rolling. :) Rich

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interesting PC recycling
by Brian Kelsay 24 Sep '06

24 Sep '06

I became a member of Freecycle a few months ago to get some stuff for my new duplex. I've since seen a few used monitors offered there and a few days ago, an old Compaq desktop with DamnSmallLinux pre-installed. I thought you guys might find that an interesting way to introduce new people to Linux, as well as a way to donate old hardware to someone in need. I would still offer stuff up to the KCLUG group first, since I personally know many of you, but for items that this group is not interested in, I'd put out on Freecycle maillist. Oren was bending my ear at the last meeting about LiveCDs and installs for old PCs, for donations and charity work. My recommendation stands with DamnSmallLinux and Puppy Linux. I believe both can save/restore sessions to USB pen drives or to remaining tracks on CD-R and RW disks that had ISO written as multi-session, if the PC has a CDRW drive. They then can use some unionfs, file overlays and possibly voodoo to restore settings, /home directories, add-on programs that have been downloaded, etc. Or either distro would easily and quickly install to even a small HDD, like a 1 GB or less. 64 MB is probably a realistic minimum RAM for these with a Pentium CPU (More RAM is always better, especially if ran as a LiveCD, up to 1GB). One other good use is a Linux Firewall using IPCop. There are many cheap and easy integrated firewall, switch, router, wireless APs out there, but for someone looking to learn some network security, IPCop is a viable option for more of this old hardware. Again, Pentium CPU and 32MB on up. Way more if you want to have a bunch of VPN connections, but I run on 64MB and a 2GB HDD. Just passing on info to get a little more useful life out of some of this hardware that is gathering dust in our basements.

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Centralized Arpwatch?
by Russ Starr 31 Aug '06

31 Aug '06

Is there program out there that can collect remote arpwatch logs and keep a "running total?" I have about 25 remote places that I would like to put a minimal floppy or CD distro with arpwatch and maybe remote syslog to a centralized server. I'm sure I could whip out some shell scripts and put all the known hosts in to a csv. My ultimate goal is to be notified of new hosts on all our network segments. I'd probably take snapshots of the central csv and do diffs with e-mail notifications on a regular interval or something similar. I have also toyed with the idea of using arpsnmp to collect all remote router's arp tables via SNMP and collect them in a similar manner. Does anyone have any recommendations? Maybe there is a better-fitting alternative to accomplish this task? Thanks, -Russ

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Re: ITEC Update
by Luke-Jr 28 Aug '06

28 Aug '06

On Wednesday 23 August 2006 11:09, you wrote: > It does work, just select priority order, or whatever option is given > other than what is pertaining to any credit card info. Now they're emailing asking for $200... certainly doesn't seem to work that way.

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Kansas City Snort User Group - August Meeting Tomorrow
by Russ Starr 28 Aug '06

28 Aug '06

I just wanted to inform you all that tomorrow there is a KC Snort User Group meeting. We will be at the KC Library's Plaza branch from 7-9pm tomorrow. Check our meeting page for more info: http://www.kcsnort.org/index.php/Meetings We welcome anybody that is interested, regardless of your Snort experience. You'll probably enjoy your stay if you like to discuss aspects of information security, GNU/Linux, TCP/IP, etc... Please post to our mailing list (see the web site) if you plan on showing up so we can get a basic head count. Thanks! -Russ

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ITEC Update
by Chris Bier 25 Aug '06

25 Aug '06

ITEC, the nations largest series of regional business technology events, returns to Kansas City on October 25-26 at the Overland Park Convention Center. ITEC enables small & medium business managers, executives & IT professionals to explore innovative technology solutions to extend IT capabilities and increase productivity while reducing costs. ITEC provides an educational platform featuring an interactive show floor, technology-specific Conference Tracks, Vendor Sessions, and Insight Sessions from industry experts. The Kansas City Linux Users Group – and along with other leading technology organizations and companies, supports the 2006 Kansas City ITEC. All KCLUG members receive a FREE conference pass (valued at $200) to attend ITEC. Simply register online at www.goITEC.com/kcm/ and use Priority Code: TCNKC525 to trigger your free pass. Check ITEC website for further details !

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CLONE_VM doesn't appear to work as documented
by David Nicol 24 Aug '06

24 Aug '06

anyone familiar with the nuances of clone(2) care to comment? I am running the attached program on a quad machine with a inux version 2.6.11-1.1369_FC4smp (bhcompile(a)decompose.build.redhat.com) and gcc version 4.0.2 20051125 (Red Hat 4.0.2-8) and I do not get a single counter increased by multiple threads, which is what I want. I don't even seem to get four different counters incremented by multiple threads that are on the same CPU. It appears that all the threads are running their own counter, and all starting from 0. Advice? -- David L Nicol Dickenson on the flag http://cronos.advenge.com/pc/EmilyDickenson/SecondBook/p39.html

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ITEC
by Jonathan Hutchins 24 Aug '06

24 Aug '06

How many Mandriva One CD's do we want? We can get "posters and goodie" as well, need a quantity.

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Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
by Luke-Jr 24 Aug '06

24 Aug '06

On Wednesday 23 August 2006 22:33, you wrote: > <kclug(a)kclug.org>: host kclug.org[139.146.133.42] said: 554 Service > unavailable; Client host [24.145.246.87] blocked using dnsbl.sorbs.net; > Dynamic IP Addresses See: > http://www.sorbs.net/lookup.shtml?24.145.246.87 (in reply to RCPT TO > command) This list (dnsbl.sorbs.net) is not necessarily spammers and should NOT be a sole basis for blocking email. Someone with admin on the KCLUG server please remove this ridiculous block. I am not using my ISP's SMTP relay because it also is blocked-- not because it is dynamic, but because it is on a legitimate spam blacklist.

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FW: Modis IT: Customer Service Positions
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 22 Aug '06

22 Aug '06

I personally would find this amount an insult, based on what I've been paid to do PC support there, but if you don't have a job, it's better than nothing and better than unemployment. Might be a good first job for some of the young guys. YMMV _____ From: Brian Christy Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:12 AM Subject: FW: Modis IT: Customer Service Positions Not sure if you know anyone looking for a helpdesk job that does not pay well but thought I would pass this along to everyone. _____ From: Michelle.ciesla(a)modisit.com [mailto:Michelle.ciesla@modisit.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:04 AM Brian: Hope you are doing well! I wanted to reach out and see if you knew anyone that would be interested in a Customer Service position at Sprint. This will be a 6 month contract to hire position for $11 an hour. They will then convert at about 12.75. This is a new group and we have 6 openings. They will begin on the campus and then move out to the old Gateway building. Please have anyone you know email me ASAP. They will begin on September 11th and will interview before. Michelle Ciesla M.B.A MODIS- Resource Development Manager 6800 College Blvd., Suite 750 Overland Park, Kansas 66211 (913)345-2228 X 28 http://www.modisit.com <http://www.modisit.com> michelle.ciesla(a)modisit.com <mailto:michelle.ciesla@modisit.com> Modis is one of the world's largest and most respected providers of Information Technology Resource Management services & solutions.

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