KCLUG March 2005

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Re: whitewig
by Jack 18 Mar '05

18 Mar '05

Why, it's braggin' O'course. But, it's nothing compared to what we'll have to deal with in several years when me wee coleen joins the list. She's a natural born red-haired Irish Lass! (Sure enough she's not got a full head of red hair, but that might yet change) I guess that's more bragging, but o' course anyone who's ever known a full out redhaired lass might argue that point. ;') --- David Nicol <davidnicol(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:18:52 -0800 (PST), Jack > <quiet_celt(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > But, then I'm an arrogant Irishman. ;') > > > > slan, > > Brian Densmore > > > > is this bragging or simply being informative? > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo

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RE: whitewig
by Jack 18 Mar '05

18 Mar '05

--- "D. Hageman" <dhageman(a)dracken.com> wrote: > On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Jack wrote: > > > --- "D. Hageman" <dhageman(a)dracken.com> wrote: > > > >> > ... I do have some > reverence for the > title as it was given to people who had done a good > hack. You don't go > around telling people that you were hacker ... as > well ... that would just > be bragging. Well, that could be true in some sense. Telling the world that you have a certain skill could be considered bragging, or simply being informative. Telling everyone you meet all the time that you have a certain skill would certainly be bragging. > > I love your definitions though ... If you get a > moment, stop by a book > store and pick up a 2005 dictionary and see if the > they agree with you. > ;-) They are the language experts ... not me. :-) > http://alum.mit.edu/ne/whatmatters/200304/hack.html This is where I get my definition from. There are many to choose from and most or all dictionaries are probably missing quite a few of them; I question the credentials of some of those experts who write dictionaries. I've often found mistakes in word meanings in dictionaries,; which is inevitable when a language adopts foreign words and the "experts" don't understand the language or are not antive speakers, or when words have foggy "at best" sources from which to find the meaning. But if it's written in print it must be true, eh? Again we are faced with the truism that word meanings change. I naturally got your point (sorry that you misunderstood my point of taking to a level of absurdity). Of course calling oneself a hacker in certain groups can elicit the type of response you speak of. That doesn't necessarily negate one and being a hacker. If you walk into a room full of well-known hackers and you are unknown to them and call yourself a hacker, well what would you expect? But, then I'm an arrogant Irishman. ;') slan, Brian Densmore __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

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RE: [OT] related to the whitewig discussion
by Charles, Joshua Micah (UMKC-Student) 18 Mar '05

18 Mar '05

Ah, your head is not your own. -----Original Message----- From: kclug-bounces(a)kclug.org [mailto:kclug-bounces@kclug.org] On Behalf Of Brian Kelsay Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 7:54 AM To: kclug(a)kclug.org Subject: Re: [OT] related to the whitewig discussion Oddly, I sent this early, before I started drinking and it made a sort of sense. Then this morning after nearly 10 hours of drinking yesterday, I have no idea what it means. I didn't see any of you guys down at Westport, so what happened to you. A good time was had by all. Somebody want to define "faded"? That's what I was last night and this morning. I saw a fight, flashers, heavy petting, making out, somebody said there was a couple having sex in the back room, and lots of other stuff. I met a lot of younger women, a few older women, got some phone numbers, got felt up and drank LOTS of beer. Was that TMI? Now I need to have ibuprofen and lots of water. See ya, Brian Kelsay >>> Jack <q> 03/18/05 12:23AM >>> Someone's been drinking too much spiced beer. _______________________________________________ Kclug mailing list Kclug(a)kclug.org http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug

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Re: [OT] related to the whitewig discussion
by Brian Kelsay 18 Mar '05

18 Mar '05

Oddly, I sent this early, before I started drinking and it made a sort of sense. Then this morning after nearly 10 hours of drinking yesterday, I have no idea what it means. I didn't see any of you guys down at Westport, so what happened to you. A good time was had by all. Somebody want to define "faded"? That's what I was last night and this morning. I saw a fight, flashers, heavy petting, making out, somebody said there was a couple having sex in the back room, and lots of other stuff. I met a lot of younger women, a few older women, got some phone numbers, got felt up and drank LOTS of beer. Was that TMI? Now I need to have ibuprofen and lots of water. See ya, Brian Kelsay >>> Jack <q> 03/18/05 12:23AM >>> Someone's been drinking too much spiced beer.

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RE: whitewig
by Charles, Joshua Micah (UMKC-Student) 17 Mar '05

17 Mar '05

>"ethically motivated hackers who work entirely within >the law; the whitehats of the whitehats" about I'm confused. Do it use the term "hacker" properly or as most people use it?

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Re: whitening
by Brian Kelsay 17 Mar '05

17 Mar '05

As always, Gerald puts it succinctly. "I like the way you talk." (Slingblade) But I find it hard to not agree with Brian and for once with Jonathan Hutchins. I didn't see that one coming. I guess on natural language processing he and I find some common ground. Now if we could just get him to read some manuals. :-) j/k Gerald, don't forget the band/singer "Uncle Cracker," my 7 yr. old son's current favorite. I'm gonna raise that boy up right. See you guys at Johnny Dare's in Westport around noon if you have the guts. Brian Kelsay >>> Gerald Combs <> 03/16/05 10:37PM >>> Jonathan Hutchins wrote: > The term "hacker" includes the concept of "cracker", unless the latter is > being used to distinguish a subset of the former. "Hacker" and it's meaning > pre-date computers. The term "cracker" is next to useless. I'd venture to guess that for most people the definition of "cracker" is a way, far-off distant fifth behind: The flat bread-food A Caucasian Something that separates chemical compounds, and The alterno-college-rock band Most people simply don't associate it with computing.

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Re: whitewig
by Brian Kelsay 17 Mar '05

17 Mar '05

You devolve? Brian Kelsay >>> "D. Hageman" <> 03/17/05 01:04AM >>> <snip> You know what happens if you don't evolve right? Wait ... n/m that is a debate for another day. :-)

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Re: ajax
by Brian Kelsay 16 Mar '05

16 Mar '05

More on ajax and Google: http://www.cnet.com/4520-6033_1-5759958-1.html?tag=nl.e501 Is a remote desktop or thin client on the way? Brian Kelsay >>> Jared <jared(a)hatwhite.com> 03/14/05 09:40AM >>> Asynchronous JavaScript and XML http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000385.php You will be seeing this idea more and more. It cracks open the last barrier between browser applications and other PC apps, and with Google showing off how cool it is, it is bound to stay. I've been watching it for about 3 years, and now it's getting the attention it deserves. It's the thing that allows GMAIL to update your browser with new emails without reloading your webpage, or allowing you to scroll across 100 yards of map seamlessly, one inch at a time--in your browser! I like it. I like it alot. -Jared

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RE: whitewig
by James Sissel 16 Mar '05

16 Mar '05

>>"ethically motivated hackers who work entirely >> within >>the law; the whitehats of the whitehats" about > > I'm confused. Do it use the term "hacker" properly > or as most people > use it? I sure hope they used it right since they said "ethically motivated". But we all know that "ethics" can be used to justify anything.

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OT: whitewig
by Jared 16 Mar '05

16 Mar '05

Does anyone want the domain names: whitewig.org and whitewig.net? I stumbled across the term as a neoligism meaning "ethically motivated hackers who work entirely within the law; the whitehats of the whitehats" about a year ago, and liked it. I had plans to develop a micro manifesto on whitewig hacking, but it's a year later and the domain names are about to expire and I haven't done it. I had the hard lesson once of letting go of a quality 5-letter domain name because I was done with it, only to watch it get snapped up by a domain house, who later offered to sell it back to me for $500. Yech. So I'm offering these if anyone wants em. Who's got a micro manifesto on these issues, just waiting for a domain name? I'm just a squatter on your blog; take'm, please; they expire in April. -Jared

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