KCLUG Digest, Vol 83, Issue 1

Fri Jun 3 12:34:43 CDT 2011

I say android is the most common linux(not just server or desktop), but
that's a pretty wild guess.
On Jun 3, 2011 11:32 AM, <kclug-request at kclug.org> wrote:
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> 1. Re: most commonly used Linux version? (Jim Herrmann)
> 2. RE: most commonly used Linux version? (Haworth, Michael A.)
> 3. Re: most commonly used Linux version? (Andrew Scott Beals)
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> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 07:02:00 -0500
> From: Jim Herrmann <kclug at itdepends.com>
> To: kclug at kclug.org
> Subject: Re: most commonly used Linux version?
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> Joe,
> Since you were asking about desktop Linux, and the system administrators
on
> the list veered off into server land, let me bring this conversation back
to
> your original question. You said you wanted to install a desktop and
wanted
> the most commonly used Linux version. If you look at the vendors that are
> selling retail desktops, to consumers, they are using Ubuntu. If you are
> looking for the more common business desktop, then use Windows, because
> businesses don't install Linux on their desktops, well damn few anyway.
> Only smaller, smarter companies, do that. The big boys are all stuck with
> Windows XP because it's too damn hard to change out 10,000 desktops of
> people who need a three day class just to learn how to run M$-Word. I'm
> sure that some companies, more in Europe no doubt, are switching to Red
Hat
> and SuSE desktops, but if you want the most commonly used *consumer*
> desktop, download Ubuntu here: http://www.ubuntu.com/
>
> I hope that actually answers your question and tip toes around the holy
war
> that still rages within the Linux community. ;-)
>
> HTH,
> Jim
>
> On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Joe Cho <ksjoecho at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to install a Linux to my desktop.
>> Could you advise a most commonly used Linux version?
>> for example: Redhat, Debian, etc.
>>
>> and where can I download?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>>
>> -Joe
>>
>> --
>> Joe Cho
>> ksjoecho at gmail.com
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> From: "Haworth, Michael A." <Michael_Haworth at pas-technologies.com>
> To: Jim Herrmann <kclug at itdepends.com>, "kclug at kclug.org"
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> Subject: RE: most commonly used Linux version?
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> ROFL! That answer sums up the fight that I am in the middle of right now -
sometimes it's the admins that need a three day class to learn how to run
M$-Word... Microsoft (in my situation) wins because of the automagic "it
just Works!" that they have propagated over the years. This is a company of
around 500 users and getting any FOSS in the door is like pushing an
18-wheeler uphill. GIMP barely made it into the image - it's free so it
can't be trusted - I am only making progress with Redhat and SuSe because
they offer (require) paid support models (so does Ubuntu/Canonical, but I DO
NOT like Unity) - that means that they are good and wholesome, not some
fly-by-night outfit...
>
> Sometimes I think that the mindset has been formed by corporate drones
that 'if we can't pay for it (and pay A LOT!), then it's not good enough for
us.'
>
> I would love to share with the LUG the hoops that I had to go through to
get a simple NTP server running on CentOS into the company - we were
seriously going to drop $2k+ on a program that would synchronize 1 windows
computer to the root NIST servers and then auto-configure the Group Policy
so that all other computers would sync to the single server... $2k for
something that any Linux distro does FOR FREE! I pissed off several people
when I went ahead and set it up on a desktop and did the configuring myself
and then just told everyone that it had been done. It's still running, but
the main proponent of purchasing the other software package will
occasionally spit out that it 'is not as accurate as the Windows program
would have been'.
>
> If my Linux-Fu ever gets strong enough, I will start applying for some of
the sysadmin jobs that I see from time to time.
>
>
> Michael Haworth
> Enterprise Systems Support Manager | PAS Technologies Inc.
> 1222 Atlantic | North Kansas City, Missouri 64116
> T: 816-556-5157 | C:(816) 585-1033 | F: (816) 556-4692 |
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> From: kclug-bounces at kclug.org [mailto:kclug-bounces at kclug.org] On Behalf
Of Jim Herrmann
> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 7:02 AM
> To: kclug at kclug.org
> Subject: Re: most commonly used Linux version?
>
> Joe,
> Since you were asking about desktop Linux, and the system administrators
on the list veered off into server land, let me bring this conversation back
to your original question. You said you wanted to install a desktop and
wanted the most commonly used Linux version. If you look at the vendors that
are selling retail desktops, to consumers, they are using Ubuntu. If you are
looking for the more common business desktop, then use Windows, because
businesses don't install Linux on their desktops, well damn few anyway. Only
smaller, smarter companies, do that. The big boys are all stuck with Windows
XP because it's too damn hard to change out 10,000 desktops of people who
need a three day class just to learn how to run M$-Word. I'm sure that some
companies, more in Europe no doubt, are switching to Red Hat and SuSE
desktops, but if you want the most commonly used *consumer* desktop,
download Ubuntu here: http://www.ubuntu.com/
>
> I hope that actually answers your question and tip toes around the holy
war that still rages within the Linux community. ;-)
>
> HTH,
> Jim
> On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Joe Cho <ksjoecho at gmail.com<mailto:
ksjoecho at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to install a Linux to my desktop.
> Could you advise a most commonly used Linux version?
> for example: Redhat, Debian, etc.
>
> and where can I download?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
> -Joe
>
> --
> Joe Cho
> ksjoecho at gmail.com<mailto:ksjoecho at gmail.com>
>
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> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 11:32:14 -0500
> From: Andrew Scott Beals <andrew.beals at gmail.com>
> To: thomas at redhat.com
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> Subject: Re: most commonly used Linux version?
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> RH was first to the party with big support contracts. They managed to get
the mindshare of the ISVs and the 3rd party hardware folks. Thus, if you're
paying, you're running RHEL. The cheapskates are running CentOS and they're
suffering along ? folks running Cent4 have been finding out that it doesn't
support modern hardware all that well (e.g. built-in ethers on Intel H55
mobos), yet they're stuck with it as the APIs and better yet Perl packages
changed enough (and some 3rd party freeware vendors withdrew support, going
to a paid model) going to Cent5/RHEL5 that they're stuck on 4 until they put
some brainpower behind it. (JH wouldn't know of anyone like that, no siree)
>
>
> For desktops, I've seen companies that run on Ubuntu. I've also seen
developers at companies that run RHEL/Cent on their servers prefer Ubuntu
for their development desktops. It's all a matter of taste, and who set
stuff up. Mindshare at the C-level will often dictate what goes on in the
trenches, so we can't discount that.
>
> Given my druthers, I put my essential services on *BSD boxen simply
because they are so much more stable and less riddled with holes, from the
filesystem to the services.
>
> On May 24, 2011, at 9:51 AM, thomas at redhat.com wrote:
>
>> Again, these stats are suspect simply because they are from a relatively
niche sample. No argument Ubuntu does great in non-paid space, but that
ain't a sustainable business model.
>>
>> And in enterprise compute, I simply never hear of Ubuntu. So if I were to
do a quick survey of that niche space it'd look awful for Canonical.
>>
>> There are three kinds of lies. Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
>>
>> "jldugger at gmail.com" <jldugger at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Meanwhile, on Linode[1]...
>>
>> 48% Ubuntu
>> 24% Debian
>> 16% CentOS
>> 4.3% Fedora
>> 3.1% Gentoo
>>
>> Now granted, #1 in nonpaying customers is kind of a tough spot to be
>> in. And the RHEL pricing model doesn't lend itself to The Cloud. I
>> imagine Canonical has a paid agreement to cater their OS to EC2, but
>> we can't read their 10-K's so we'll never know.
>>
>> Justin
>>
>> [1] http://www.linode.com/about/
>>
>> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 11:35 PM, thomas at redhat.com <thomas at redhat.com>
wrote:
>>> The reason I said "depending on which report you read" is that "market
share leadership" is such a nebulous term, it depends on how it's defined.
Some reports I've seen say we have 85% of paid Linux revenue. Some reports
say 55% of paid Linux server count. Still others say we're on 70% of all
factory prepossessing of Linux.
>>>
>>> Frankly, I find all of these suspect for a slew of reasons from
statistical accuracy to methodology to just plain common sense.
>>>
>>> Probably the closest thing to truth I can find - and even this is
probably not the best yardstick - is revenue. Don't take my word for it, our
10K is public, as is Novell 's.
>>>
>>> Also Gartner and IDC have some decent data on things like server sales
and OS sales. Go look at those.
>>>
>>> But the assertion that only managers and marketing types like RHEL, and
real men like Debian is just absurd. What runs the NYSE? What does the FAA
use to support the ~8000 planes in the air in US airspace every day? Hint:
it ain't Debian.
>>>
>>> TC
>>>
>>> Jonathan Hutchins <hutchins at tarcanfel.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Monday 23 May 2011 04:17:54 pm thomas at redhat.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> We own between 65 and 85 percent of the Linux server market, depending
>>>> on which report you read. Debian based distros are not really even a
>>>> blip on the radar from a commercial standpoint.
>>>
>>> Based on number of licenses sold, or total revenue?
>>>
>>> IBM has a big share of the POS market, and their POS system is based on
SuSE.
>>> They don't count the licenses on a per-terminal basis as far as I know,
so
>>> their "market share" would be skewed too. ?I know of only one very small
>>> specialty POS system based on RHEL.
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