<p>I say android is the most common linux(not just server or desktop), but that's a pretty wild guess.</p>
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> <br>> Message: 1<br>> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 07:02:00 -0500<br>> From: Jim Herrmann <<a href="mailto:kclug@itdepends.com">kclug@itdepends.com</a>><br>> To: <a href="mailto:kclug@kclug.org">kclug@kclug.org</a><br>
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> <br>> Joe,<br>> Since you were asking about desktop Linux, and the system administrators on<br>> the list veered off into server land, let me bring this conversation back to<br>> your original question. You said you wanted to install a desktop and wanted<br>
> the most commonly used Linux version. If you look at the vendors that are<br>> selling retail desktops, to consumers, they are using Ubuntu. If you are<br>> looking for the more common business desktop, then use Windows, because<br>
> businesses don't install Linux on their desktops, well damn few anyway.<br>> Only smaller, smarter companies, do that. The big boys are all stuck with<br>> Windows XP because it's too damn hard to change out 10,000 desktops of<br>
> people who need a three day class just to learn how to run M$-Word. I'm<br>> sure that some companies, more in Europe no doubt, are switching to Red Hat<br>> and SuSE desktops, but if you want the most commonly used *consumer*<br>
> desktop, download Ubuntu here: <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/">http://www.ubuntu.com/</a><br>> <br>> I hope that actually answers your question and tip toes around the holy war<br>> that still rages within the Linux community. ;-)<br>
> <br>> HTH,<br>> Jim<br>> <br>> On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Joe Cho <<a href="mailto:ksjoecho@gmail.com">ksjoecho@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>>> Hi,<br>>><br>>> I would like to install a Linux to my desktop.<br>
>> Could you advise a most commonly used Linux version?<br>>> for example: Redhat, Debian, etc.<br>>><br>>> and where can I download?<br>>><br>>> Thanks in advance.<br>>><br>>><br>
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> ROFL! That answer sums up the fight that I am in the middle of right now - sometimes it's the admins that need a three day class to learn how to run M$-Word... Microsoft (in my situation) wins because of the automagic "it just Works!" that they have propagated over the years. This is a company of around 500 users and getting any FOSS in the door is like pushing an 18-wheeler uphill. GIMP barely made it into the image - it's free so it can't be trusted - I am only making progress with Redhat and SuSe because they offer (require) paid support models (so does Ubuntu/Canonical, but I DO NOT like Unity) - that means that they are good and wholesome, not some fly-by-night outfit...<br>
> <br>> Sometimes I think that the mindset has been formed by corporate drones that 'if we can't pay for it (and pay A LOT!), then it's not good enough for us.'<br>> <br>> I would love to share with the LUG the hoops that I had to go through to get a simple NTP server running on CentOS into the company - we were seriously going to drop $2k+ on a program that would synchronize 1 windows computer to the root NIST servers and then auto-configure the Group Policy so that all other computers would sync to the single server... $2k for something that any Linux distro does FOR FREE! I pissed off several people when I went ahead and set it up on a desktop and did the configuring myself and then just told everyone that it had been done. It's still running, but the main proponent of purchasing the other software package will occasionally spit out that it 'is not as accurate as the Windows program would have been'.<br>
> <br>> If my Linux-Fu ever gets strong enough, I will start applying for some of the sysadmin jobs that I see from time to time.<br>> <br>> <br>> Michael Haworth<br>> Enterprise Systems Support Manager | PAS Technologies Inc.<br>
> 1222 Atlantic | North Kansas City, Missouri 64116<br>> T: 816-556-5157 | C:(816) 585-1033 | F: (816) 556-4692 | <a href="mailto:Michael_Haworth@pas-technologies.com">Michael_Haworth@pas-technologies.com</a><br>> Visit our website at <a href="http://www.pas-technologies.com">www.pas-technologies.com</a><<a href="http://www.pas-technologies.com">http://www.pas-technologies.com</a>><br>
> <br>> From: <a href="mailto:kclug-bounces@kclug.org">kclug-bounces@kclug.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:kclug-bounces@kclug.org">kclug-bounces@kclug.org</a>] On Behalf Of Jim Herrmann<br>> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 7:02 AM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:kclug@kclug.org">kclug@kclug.org</a><br>> Subject: Re: most commonly used Linux version?<br>> <br>> Joe,<br>> Since you were asking about desktop Linux, and the system administrators on the list veered off into server land, let me bring this conversation back to your original question. You said you wanted to install a desktop and wanted the most commonly used Linux version. If you look at the vendors that are selling retail desktops, to consumers, they are using Ubuntu. If you are looking for the more common business desktop, then use Windows, because businesses don't install Linux on their desktops, well damn few anyway. Only smaller, smarter companies, do that. The big boys are all stuck with Windows XP because it's too damn hard to change out 10,000 desktops of people who need a three day class just to learn how to run M$-Word. I'm sure that some companies, more in Europe no doubt, are switching to Red Hat and SuSE desktops, but if you want the most commonly used *consumer* desktop, download Ubuntu here: <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/">http://www.ubuntu.com/</a><br>
> <br>> I hope that actually answers your question and tip toes around the holy war that still rages within the Linux community. ;-)<br>> <br>> HTH,<br>> Jim<br>> On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Joe Cho <<a href="mailto:ksjoecho@gmail.com">ksjoecho@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:ksjoecho@gmail.com">ksjoecho@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
> Hi,<br>> <br>> I would like to install a Linux to my desktop.<br>> Could you advise a most commonly used Linux version?<br>> for example: Redhat, Debian, etc.<br>> <br>> and where can I download?<br>
> <br>> Thanks in advance.<br>> <br>> <br>> -Joe<br>> <br>> --<br>> Joe Cho<br>> <a href="mailto:ksjoecho@gmail.com">ksjoecho@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:ksjoecho@gmail.com">ksjoecho@gmail.com</a>><br>
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> To: <a href="mailto:thomas@redhat.com">thomas@redhat.com</a><br>> Cc: <a href="mailto:kclug@kclug.org">kclug@kclug.org</a><br>> Subject: Re: most commonly used Linux version?<br>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:DCC4808C-C199-4536-A22F-F7926A382DCF@gmail.com">DCC4808C-C199-4536-A22F-F7926A382DCF@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252<br>> <br>> RH was first to the party with big support contracts. They managed to get the mindshare of the ISVs and the 3rd party hardware folks. Thus, if you're paying, you're running RHEL. The cheapskates are running CentOS and they're suffering along ? folks running Cent4 have been finding out that it doesn't support modern hardware all that well (e.g. built-in ethers on Intel H55 mobos), yet they're stuck with it as the APIs and better yet Perl packages changed enough (and some 3rd party freeware vendors withdrew support, going to a paid model) going to Cent5/RHEL5 that they're stuck on 4 until they put some brainpower behind it. (JH wouldn't know of anyone like that, no siree)<br>
> <br>> <br>> For desktops, I've seen companies that run on Ubuntu. I've also seen developers at companies that run RHEL/Cent on their servers prefer Ubuntu for their development desktops. It's all a matter of taste, and who set stuff up. Mindshare at the C-level will often dictate what goes on in the trenches, so we can't discount that.<br>
> <br>> Given my druthers, I put my essential services on *BSD boxen simply because they are so much more stable and less riddled with holes, from the filesystem to the services.<br>> <br>> On May 24, 2011, at 9:51 AM, <a href="mailto:thomas@redhat.com">thomas@redhat.com</a> wrote:<br>
> <br>>> Again, these stats are suspect simply because they are from a relatively niche sample. No argument Ubuntu does great in non-paid space, but that ain't a sustainable business model.<br>>> <br>>> And in enterprise compute, I simply never hear of Ubuntu. So if I were to do a quick survey of that niche space it'd look awful for Canonical.<br>
>> <br>>> There are three kinds of lies. Lies, damned lies, and statistics.<br>>> <br>>> "<a href="mailto:jldugger@gmail.com">jldugger@gmail.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:jldugger@gmail.com">jldugger@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> <br>>> Meanwhile, on Linode[1]...<br>>> <br>>> 48% Ubuntu<br>>> 24% Debian<br>>> 16% CentOS<br>>> 4.3% Fedora<br>>> 3.1% Gentoo<br>>> <br>>> Now granted, #1 in nonpaying customers is kind of a tough spot to be<br>
>> in. And the RHEL pricing model doesn't lend itself to The Cloud. I<br>>> imagine Canonical has a paid agreement to cater their OS to EC2, but<br>>> we can't read their 10-K's so we'll never know.<br>
>> <br>>> Justin<br>>> <br>>> [1] <a href="http://www.linode.com/about/">http://www.linode.com/about/</a><br>>> <br>>> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 11:35 PM, <a href="mailto:thomas@redhat.com">thomas@redhat.com</a> <<a href="mailto:thomas@redhat.com">thomas@redhat.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> The reason I said "depending on which report you read" is that "market share leadership" is such a nebulous term, it depends on how it's defined. Some reports I've seen say we have 85% of paid Linux revenue. Some reports say 55% of paid Linux server count. Still others say we're on 70% of all factory prepossessing of Linux.<br>
>>> <br>>>> Frankly, I find all of these suspect for a slew of reasons from statistical accuracy to methodology to just plain common sense.<br>>>> <br>>>> Probably the closest thing to truth I can find - and even this is probably not the best yardstick - is revenue. Don't take my word for it, our 10K is public, as is Novell 's.<br>
>>> <br>>>> Also Gartner and IDC have some decent data on things like server sales and OS sales. Go look at those.<br>>>> <br>>>> But the assertion that only managers and marketing types like RHEL, and real men like Debian is just absurd. What runs the NYSE? What does the FAA use to support the ~8000 planes in the air in US airspace every day? Hint: it ain't Debian.<br>
>>> <br>>>> TC<br>>>> <br>>>> Jonathan Hutchins <<a href="mailto:hutchins@tarcanfel.org">hutchins@tarcanfel.org</a>> wrote:<br>>>> <br>>>> On Monday 23 May 2011 04:17:54 pm <a href="mailto:thomas@redhat.com">thomas@redhat.com</a> wrote:<br>
>>> <br>>>>> We own between 65 and 85 percent of the Linux server market, depending<br>>>>> on which report you read. Debian based distros are not really even a<br>>>>> blip on the radar from a commercial standpoint.<br>
>>> <br>>>> Based on number of licenses sold, or total revenue?<br>>>> <br>>>> IBM has a big share of the POS market, and their POS system is based on SuSE.<br>>>> They don't count the licenses on a per-terminal basis as far as I know, so<br>
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