website building

[Andrew R. Brink]

Ewwww. Vim is all you need!

On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 09:32:17PM -0600, Randy Rathbun wrote:
> I agree. PHP rocks. Big time. That is what I run astrodot.org and
> quitequitefantastic.org on. Granted, I did not write the underlying code,
> but this thing is just so simple to fix problems on it is not even funny.
> Just now I fixed some errors that were causing web browsers to be
> misnamed - it thought Konqueror was Netscape. Simple fix! And ya gotta
> like dynamic web sites. They are just too cool.
> 
> But I disagree about designing. This is probably going to start a flame
> war now :). Actually, I like the web page maker in Star Office. Another
> good one to look at is Amaya from www.w3c.org. Both of those do a nice
> job, though they can be a total pain to use at times. When I am in a real
> hurry I boot my laptop into Windows and run Macromedia Dreamweaver, which
> is the best WYSIWYG page creator out there, imnsho. Hopefully this new
> version of wine will fix my "have to use windows" thing and just let me
> run DW from Linux.
> 
> On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Tony Hammitt wrote:
> 
> > Yes, use a text editor and a couple of different web browsers.  A good
> > text editor like nedit is much more flexible than anyone's integrated
> > development environment, which constrict you to using their style of
> > code, etc.  You can also use more than one kind of technology, like
> > Perl along with PHP if you aren't stuck with an IDE.  Speaking of PHP,
> > I've found that web development with it is extremely rapid.  You lay
> > out the page how you need it to look then stick PHP code in where
> > needed to customize the page.  So you usually have some working code
> > that is easy to hack on, even just after you have started building the
> > page.  As you go on, you have more code to steal from your old stuff,
> > which is one of the things that an IDE isn't good at; swiping code from
> > old projects.
> >
> > There is also the intangible benefits of knowing exactly how your site
> > is put together so you can always fix it if there are problems.  It's
> > more about maintainability than speed of development.  Anyone can hack
> > together a website, but adding features is going to be easier if you
> > write the code yourself.
> >
> > Not to say that all IDE's are bad.  They often provide workable starting
> > points from which to build, but once you get past that stage, most have
> > problems doing advanced functions.  Also beware of using things like
> > FrontPage, which require propreitary server extensions that lock you into
> > using just their server.  If you want to change providers, you may be
> > out of luck.
> >
> > My personal opinions about web standards:
> >
> > If you have a windows box handy, you will probably want to use explorer
> > and netscape or mozilla to check whether your site looks the way you
> > want it to look for all users.  Also check your site using Lynx to make
> > sure that people using text-based browsers can use your site, too.  Too
> > many sites forget all about web standards and just use Flash or some
> > other non-portable tool that leave the visitors with nothing to fall
> > back on if they don't have that plug-in.
> >
> > Also remember that quite a few people have JavaScript turned off, so
> > get familiar with the <noscript> tag if you use it.  Without it, you're
> > alienating people again.  The goal is to make a site that people want
> > to come back to, not to have some elitist site that requires the very
> > latest releases of everything to work.  Millions of people still use
> > windows 3.x with old browsers, make sure that they can still see things
> > on your site.
> >
> > Have a fun day,
> >
> > 	Tony Hammitt
> >
> >
> > mac ten wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm still extremely new to linux, I'm looking for a
> > > stable program to build a website.  Does anyone have a favorite?
> > >
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> 
> -- 
> 
> Randy Rathbun                            randy at randyrathbun.org
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