RoadRunner nonsense

[Phil Thayer]

Read the terms and conditions for TW and Comcast.

You are not allowed to do anything illegal.  TW does not explicitly say
that they will "eavesdrop" on your internet traffic, but Comcast does
say that they or any other authorized entity does have the right to
eavesdrop on your connection.  And as for bandwidth, they do not
"guarantee" the bandwidth that is advertised.  It is always a qualified
bandwidth amount that they specify.  If you want "guaranteed" bandwidth
with a dedicated IP address you probably need to get a T1 or better
connection.  And even then Comcast will allow authorized entities to
eavesdrop on your connection.

As for the comparison to a trucking company, if law enforcement feels
there is a possibility that the boxes hold illegal materials, they
certainly will open them, go through them and may not let them continue
to their destination.  The trucking company will have a certain amount
of liability in regards to what is in the boxes but mostly the liability
will be in your lap.  That's why most trucking companies will ask for a
bill or lading describing what the contents of the box are.  If the bill
of lading says that the box contains "lots of illegal stuff" and the
trucking company takes the load anyway, then they have a liability in
the matter.  If the bill of lading says that the boxes contain "lots of
legal stuff" and the boxes really contain illegal stuff then the
trucking company will have little if any liability in the matter.  In
both cases you will have a large liability in the matter.

Phil


> -----Original Message-----
> From: kclug-bounces at kclug.org 
> [mailto:kclug-bounces at kclug.org] On Behalf Of Arthur Pemberton
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 3:15 PM
> To: kclug
> Subject: Re: RoadRunner nonsense
> 
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Kyle Sexton <ks at mocker.org> wrote:
> > James Sissel <jimsissel at yahoo.com> writes:
> >
> >  > A lease is created when a property owner (the offeror) 
> makes an offer to another party (the
> >  > offeree), and the offeree accepts the offer. The offer 
> must authorize the offeree to possess and
> >  > use property owned by the offeror for a certain period 
> of time without gaining ownership.  So,
> >  > getting my IP address, assuming it is not static, means 
> I get to possess and use the
> >  > "property".  This does not mean the "landlord" can 
> open/alter/block/steal my mail.  You seem to
> >  > be confusing the IP address with the Internet traffic.
> >  >
> >  > But what if I have a static IP address?
> >  >
> >  > Another example, suppose I hire a trucking company to 
> move some boxes from my house to yours.
> >  > Does that give the trucking company the right to open 
> the boxes, take stuff out, put other stuff
> >  > in, or just not deliver the boxes because they are "just 
> too busy"?
> >  >
> >  From http://help.twcable.com/html/twc_misp_aup.html
> >
> >  "The ISP Service may not be used in a manner that interferes with
> >  Operator's efficient operation of its facilities, the provision of
> >  services or the ability of others to utilize the ISP Service in a
> >  reasonable manner. Operator may use various tools and techniques in
> >  order to efficiently manage its networks and to ensure 
> compliance with
> >  this Acceptable Use Policy ("Network Management Tools").  These may
> >  include detecting malicious traffic patterns and preventing the
> >  distribution of viruses or other malicious code, limiting 
> the number of
> >  peer-to-peer sessions a user can conduct at the same time, 
> limiting the
> >  aggregate bandwidth available for certain usage protocols such as
> >  peer-to-peer and newsgroups and such other Network 
> Management Tools as
> >  Operator may from time to time determine appropriate."
> 
> When one purchases/.leases/whatever an internet connection, you are
> promised x amount of download bandwidth and y amount of upload of
> bandwidth. Regardless of if i'm watching donkey shows, uploading child
> porn, hacking the CIA or organizing a hit on someone, once I am within
> my alloted bandwidth, my connections should be left alone. Unless I am
> cracking their systems to go beyond my alloted bandwidth, nothing
> should be done to shape it.
> 
> >  So in this case your landlord could check your mail to 
> make sure that you
> >  aren't a terrorist.  And the movers could open your boxes 
> to ensure you
> >  weren't moving bombs[1].
> 
> And they should fully expect to lose their head by tripping a 
> wire doing so.
> 
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