Outllook replacement (long)

[Benjamin Fisher]

Well, they DO have the ability to speak pop3 and imap and smtp.  In a weird and stupid way, more 
than likely.  I can't really tell if it's the server or some sort of configuration error.  However, 
they're not talkin'.

POP3 is out of the question (as well as anything besides HTTP, HTTPS, FTP - and FTP-in/FTP-down 
only.  and everything is stuffed through port 80).  It's disabled, because it's "too insecure", 
according to the admin.

I can't really tell what the exact problem is, though.  IMAP settings for the receiving end don't 
work.  I can't tell what sort of authentication type it's using if IMAP is enabled/configured 
properly.  It certainly doesn't support anything currently in Evolution besides "Password".  If it 
supports anything.  The POP settings for receiving somehow works (the proxy is probably set up to 
not allow pop to the outside).

On the sending side, SMTP works so long as it is on the local network.  Outside, it doesn't work.  
Something weird they're doing between the proxy and mail server, and possible what's happening on 
the outside of the proxy, probably is messing up the actual outgoing SMTP.  Or at least that was 
the half-baked answer I got from the admin.

IMAP probably isn't set up right/in use.  Although the port is open, I know.  It must be one of 100 
that are.  And however they're handling IMAP.  Who knows.

My best guess is that things are set up weirdly, the servers are just made crappy (what I've come 
to expect from MS), and/or the authentication type it's using via SMTP (and/or POP3,IMAP) isn't 
working right with their exchange server.

I don't know much about Microsoft server software.  Or really any other MS stuff.  Because I don't 
use it, and never have really.  The admin. is an NT4 MCSE, however, that's pretty much what is in 
use across the board here: NT4 servers.  Very few, if anything, is on Win2K.  Except the lab I work 
at (my supervisor - and the computer science chairman - is a marketing/MS-brainwashee, so I'm not 
allowed to use anything but windows crap):  we use Win2K there for one domain, NT4 for another just 
so people can learn about both.  Who knows.

Conclusion: Weird SMTP authentication type is in use on their end, or Evolution doesn't 
support/doesn't support well enough what they're using.  Therefore, SMTP works inside when 
authentication is turned off, but doesn't work on the outside.  IMAP isn't set up right, or if it 
is, Evolution doesn't support the auth. type needed.  POP3, again, works on the inside, like 
everything else, but it isn't allowed on the outside.

Ben

----- Original Message -----
From: Dustin Decker <dustind at moon-lite.com>
To: Benjamin Fisher <dentariz at linuxmail.org>
Subject: Re: Outllook replacement

Re: On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Benjamin Fisher wrote:
Re: 
Re: > Unfortunately, many college campus' don't use the latest versions of
Re: > windows stuff, especially the mail server.  Mostly because of the time
Re: > involved - financial shortages, and (thus) staff shortages.  On my
Re: > campus where I am at, this semester they just upgraded to Exchange 5.0.  
Re: > Exchange 2000 will probably never happen.  Unless I graduate first.  
Re: > 4.0 & 5.0 both don't work with Evolution.  I still use evolution, and am
Re: 
Re: But they _do_ speak pop3 and imap - your admin is a fruit-loop for not 
Re: providing alternative access.
Re: 
Re: > And, like I said, the administrator gave me some half-witted,
Re: > half-madeup explanation reminiscient of most MCSE's.  (c;  Oh well.
Re: 
Re: Ah yeah - this is where you run up against the difference between an MCSE 
Re: of the NT 4.0 vernacular vs. someone with current credentials.  Lots of 
Re: 4.0 paper tigers wandering around out there - and boy can they make an 
Re: ugly mess of Win2K.  
Re: 
Re: The hope at this point is that some of these Windows droolers (I used to
Re: be one about 6 years ago) will get more exposure to Linux in the future.  
Re: This does wonders for their intellect - most of them don't even know what
Re: a bastion host is.  (What, you mean I shouldn't install Exchange, IIS,
Re: Media Services, Active Directory, and a host of other services all on a
Re: single server?)  Between now and then, you're probably just going to have 
Re: to grin and bear it.  (Or supplant your current admin - what a shit job 
Re: eh?)
Re: 
Re: Dustin
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