What's wrong with the market?

Sun Jun 9 16:41:59 CDT 2002

You must work for them.  This is a fee-based site.  The point of this 
thread is finding free services, not more vultures preying on the 
unemployed.

Matt Luettgen wrote:

>Why go through all that work when sologig.com exists?
>
>ML
>
>
>--- Michael <mogmios at mlug.missouri.edu> wrote:
>
>>I could do the site but I think an actual company
>>would be better as a lot
>>of companies don't feel comfortable dealing with
>>individuals or small
>>consultants or simply don't know that they want to
>>look for someone to
>>take care of their IT needs. You have to be more
>>aggressive in todays
>>economy.
>>
>>
>>I don't suffer from insanity... I enjoy every minute
>>of it.
>>
>>;):):-):):-):):-)8')
>>Michael McGlothlin <mogmios at mlug.missouri.edu>
>>http://mlug.missouri.edu/~mogmios/projects/
>>
>>On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 KRFinch at dstsystems.com wrote:
>>
>>>I agree.
>>>
>>>Having worked for a small consulting company in
>>>
>>the past that got run out
>>
>>>of business, I wholeheartedly agree.  I remember
>>>
>>everyone working like
>>
>>>crazy to drum up enough business keep everyone's
>>>
>>jobs, and there was just
>>
>>>not quite enough work to keep us going.  If there
>>>
>>were some sort of
>>
>>>community forum out there we could have tapped
>>>
>>into to off-load some of our
>>
>>>excess programming and IT capacity, I might still
>>>
>>be working there.
>>
>>>The only problem is that every time that I have
>>>
>>seen someone start up that
>>
>>>type of forum, they do so with the sole intention
>>>
>>of making a profit.  They
>>
>>>want fees to post jobs, fees to look at jobs, and
>>>
>>fees to take jobs.  It
>>
>>>ends up being cheaper for companies to use
>>>
>>head-hunters, the local
>>
>>>newspaper or the yellow pages to find consultants,
>>>
>>so that's what they do.
>>
>>>IMHO, the only way a forum like you describe could
>>>
>>be successful is if the
>>
>>>person organizing it had no intention of ever
>>>
>>seeing any sort of financial
>>
>>>rewards for doing it.  With profit out of the
>>>
>>picture, I think it would
>>
>>>make for a much more level playing field.  The
>>>
>>side effect of free
>>
>>>postings, however, is that every MLM/Spam/Pr0n
>>>
>>idiot will start making
>>
>>>postings to the site in hopes of gaining more
>>>
>>dupes to line his pockets.
>>
>>>Hence, the site would have to be heavily
>>>
>>moderated.
>>
>>>So, all we need is to find a philanthropist with a
>>>
>>webserver and a lot of
>>
>>>free time on his hands to moderate a site so other
>>>
>>people can find work.  I
>>
>>>think that's only going to happen if you have some
>>>
>>branch of the government
>>
>>>do it, because I don't know too many independently
>>>
>>wealthy people that want
>>
>>>to waste their days deleting Spam for the greater
>>>
>>good.  The other option,
>>
>>>of course, is to have a group take over the
>>>
>>moderation in shifts, or work
>>
>>>out some sort of user moderation to help filter
>>>
>>out the chaff...
>>
>>>My $0.0195, rounded up.
>>>
>>>Thanks!
>>>
>>>Kevin Finch
>>>Network Administrator
>>>DST Systems, Inc.
>>>816/435-6039
>>>krfinch at dstsystems.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                    Michael
>>>                    <mogmios at mlug.missouri       
>>>
>>To:     Derric Goodwin
>><Derric.E.Goodwin at mail.sprint.com>
>>
>>>                    .edu>                        
>>>
>>cc:     kclug at kclug.org
>>
>>>                    Sent by:                     
>>>
>>Subject:     Re: What's wrong with the market?
>>
>>>                    owner-kclug at marauder.i
>>>                    lliana.net
>>>
>>>
>>>                    06/07/2002 05:11 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>What we need is some sort of organization that
>>>
>>lets us pool our efforts so
>>
>>>we can offer clients more options than any one of
>>>
>>us alone could offer and
>>
>>>also make some collective effort to find new
>>>
>>clients. Everyone needs IT.
>>
>>>It's just a matter of finding out what they need
>>>
>>and delivering it. Sort
>>
>>>of a Co-Op agency/consultancy. It seems to me IT
>>>
>>is still doing well but
>>
>>>most of the work is going to big corporate IT
>>>
>>shops rather than us little
>>
>>>guys.
>>>
>>>
>>>I don't suffer from insanity... I enjoy every
>>>
>>minute of it.
>>
>>>;):):-):):-):):-)8')
>>>Michael McGlothlin <mogmios at mlug.missouri.edu>
>>>http://mlug.missouri.edu/~mogmios/projects/
>>>
>>>On 7 Jun 2002, Derric Goodwin wrote:
>>>
>>>> The job market here in KC is terrible now for
>>>>
>>IT folks.
>>
>>>>I recently moved from Silicon Valley (few months
>>>>
>>ago) to KC because the
>>
>>>>job market out there was just plain ridiculous.
>>>>
>>I was sending 6 to 10
>>
>>>>resumes a day after I was laid off for weeks...
>>>>
>>>> There were many jobs being posted but the HR
>>>>
>>folks were being swamped
>>
>>>>with literally thousands of replies to each job
>>>>
>>posting.
>>
>>>>I am just now starting to get e-mails now from
>>>>
>>my Monster account (now
>>
>>>>that I don't need it...lol).
>>>>
>>>>It does look like jobs are picking up on the
>>>>
>>west coast. Will probably
>>
>>>>take a long time to trickle back to us in KC...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Derric Goodwin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>KC Linux Users Group -- to unsubscribe send mail
>>>>
>>to majordomo at kclug.org
>>
>>>>Enter without the quotes in body of message
>>>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>KC Linux Users Group -- to unsubscribe send mail
>>>
>>to majordomo at kclug.org
>>
>>>Enter without the quotes in body of message
>>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>KC Linux Users Group -- to unsubscribe send mail
>>>
>>to majordomo at kclug.org
>>
>>>Enter without the quotes in body of message
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>majordomo at kclug.org
>>Enter without the quotes in body of message
>>
>
>
>__________________________________________________
>Do You Yahoo!?
>Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup
>http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
>
>
>