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Patrick.  Please check your system settings.  You are half a day ahead.

Patrick Miller wrote:

> Someone mentoned that DSL/Cable is not sold as a T-1 service. This is true.
> If you wanted a true non oversold t-1 you would call UUNET/Sprint/etc, or
> connect to one of the NAPs. Most DSL and cable service is sold as a consumer
> service. It is also sold with certain agreements such as no NATs. If you
> really do not want to pay per Kbit, and do not want to pay for a real t-1
> then do not use a nat. I still would personaly love to get a service that
> uses metering. It pays for the necessary infastructure, and allows me to
> burst.
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> If metered internet were all that is sold, then people would realise how bad
> the POP up ads and spam are -- not just a nusance -- Then they could pay for
> premium sites, less for internet access, get laws passed, and get easy,
> smooth, and reasonably priced surfing.
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>>Keep in mind that there is a major precedent that has already been set in
>>the telecom industry.  When a company leases a T1 connection, they pay one
>>price no matter how many computers and subnets that they hook up behind the
>>router(s).  They pay a certain price for a certain amount of bandwidth.
>>Cable may not be regulated, but it is part of the telecom industry and the
>>same principle applies.  We are guaranteed a minimum amount of bandwidth,
>>and we are told that there is a maximum amount of bandwidth (bursting????).
>>Unfortunately, the door could swing both ways on this argument.
>>
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> Yes richard there are several types of t-1. There is always the base cost
> for the t-1 then there is:
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> T-1 	1.544 mb   at $x
> t-1 	512k burstable to 1.544 mb --- if you average x then you pay more
> 	and can reevaulate your base -- you are still essencialy getting the
> 	full t-1 its just your average usage
> t-1	metered -- basicly the same as a burstable. 
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> There is always SLA's that gaurangee uptime, latency, bandwith, engineer
> availability, etc. Latency and bandwith is hard to prove except to places
> within the providers network, and thus is mostly only used for VPNs and
> branch offices.
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