Video Produciton [WAS: Linux Konquers the Graphic Arts]

[Gene Dascher]

	I have been playing around with DV & Premiere for a couple of months now
and I love it.  I'm going to be using it to edit video and create VCD's.  We
are tentatively moving to Melbourne, Australia for 2 years, and sending a CD
home will be much cheaper than sending a VHS tape!

	The only problem that I have is that I bought a non-branded firewire card
that works WONDERFULLY under win98se, but I can't find any drivers that will
work under NT4.  Since I have a dual processor system, I hate it that I lose
one processor under 98.  I guess I'll have to save my pennies and get a
firewire card that has NT drivers.

	BUT since this IS a Linux list: I'm also planning on installing the latest
Mandrake on that system so I can try out the Firewire support as well as
Broadcast 2000, the open source non-linear video editor.  Does anyone
currently use it?

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Johnson [mailto:sjohnson at commercial-lithographing.com]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 10:57 AM
To: 'kclug at kclug.org'
Subject: RE: Linux Konquers the Graphic Arts [RE: Wine, Whine, installs, and
the like]

We have been doing digital video production with sony handhelds (8mm and
Mini-DV) and Adobe Premier (under windows, since the mac hardware was too
expensive for the horsepower needed) for about a year and have had fantastic
results.  The whole setup was closer to $2000 (not counting cameras) mostly
due to the fact that Premier is around $750.   I look forward to a package
that is better than Premier, since it like many of the Adobe apps is in
itself very clunky and quite crashable under both platforms.
We do "broadcast" quality, which is to say that we don't do any compression.
It sure can eat up your hardware resources, but most people can't tell it
from TV quality.
sj
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Dascher [mailto:gedascher at multiservice.com]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 10:40 AM
To: Kclug
Subject: RE: Linux Konquers the Graphic Arts [RE: Wine, Whine, installs, and
the like]

Actually, to get Maya Complete, it is only $7500 ;)  If you want Maya
Unlimited, then you pay $16,000!  Oy.
To address this topic, have you seen '405 - The Movie'?
<http://www.405themovie.com/Home.asp>
That is a GREAT short that was done entirely on home PCs and shot with a
hand held digital video camera.  What a great way to break into the
"business".
If you can't tell, I have a great love for this sort of thing!
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Densmore [mailto:DensmoreB at ctbsonline.com]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 10:22 AM
To: Kclug
Subject: Linux Konquers the Graphic Arts [RE: Wine, Whine, installs, and the
like]

Yes. You too can be a big famous movie-maker, for $10,000 for the software
(can't remember the brand off hand, Dreamworks and Pixar both use this
software) and $5000 for a killer server.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gene Dascher [mailto:gedascher at multiservice.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 10:17 AM
> To: Kclug
> Subject: RE: Wine, Whine, installs, and the like
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> Actually, I read somewhere just the other day that both Dreamworks and
> Pixar have, either in full or part, switched over to using Linux in
> their production shops for both workstations(cell and 3D animation)
> and servers(render farm, file servers)!  There was an article in
> Linux Journal a
> few issues back about the switch over that Dreamworks has
> been making.  For
> the render farm, the SGI boxes that used to take 50 feet of
> wall space have
> been replaced with Linux rackmount systems that take up about
> the space of a
> refrigerator!  You gotta love technology!
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> Gene
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Densmore [mailto:DensmoreB at ctbsonline.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 9:57 AM
> To: kclug at kclug.org
> Subject: RE: Wine, Whine, installs, and the like
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> This is not flamebait either, but I know many artists who would fight
> you tooth and nail, or at least pencil and paintbrush, on this.
> Mac is used
> extensively by artists. But Linux is rapidly gobbling up this
> market. Alas,
> I see doom in Mac's future.
> Cases in point :
> Titanic (the movie), Shrek, Lord of the Rings (due for
> release very soon -
> and I might add - IT'S ABOUT FREAKIN' TIME!)
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> Sorry about that, but Middle Earth is a touchy subject for me. Frodo
> Lives!
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Palmer [mailto:repalmer at sunflower.org]
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 9:48 AM
> To: Steve Johnson; 'kclug at kclug.org'
> Subject: RE: Wine, Whine, installs, and the like
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> At 9:07 PM -0600 11/8/01, Steve Johnson wrote:
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> Yes Mac OS is great as long as you don't attempt to run any real
> applications, or network it, or do any real work with it.  OS-X is
> great as long as you
> don't try to use any Mac aps on it.  I'm in the GA business,
> so I know just
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> teensy bit about what I say on this subject....
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> This isn't a flame...just a long standing observation.  Don't want to
> get into a Mac vs the world thing.  But anyone that makes
> statements about the
> Mac OS like that simply hasn't ever use it or been around it.  You're
> repeating an urban legend of the first order-created and maintained by
> Microsoft.
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> Wine, Windows and other junk........
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> I routinely run Windows  in emulation-under OS 9 emulation-under OS X
> on a 350 MHz iMac/786 megs RAM.  Runs about 200 MHz fast.  :)
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> Scattered files.....
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> I think the beef with OS X for most Mac folks is exactly that
> scattered file thing-Mac people are used to concrete places to put
> stuff which can be thrown away in a snap if you don't like it-back to
> square one no harm done.
> I've found that its easier to get a Mac user up to speed on a
> PC because
> they have no fear of screwing things up when they should be
> very afraid.
> Converting PC people to Macs is more difficult because
> (formerly-OS 9) they
> were very afraid of screwing things up when they should have
> been having
> fun.   My guess is that Apple will be a dual OS company for
> quite sometime.
> Maybe that's the way it should be.
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> Lastly and most important....
> Revisiting community/public networking/wireless .
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> I do want to get back and discuss this seriously.  I posted that
> article nearly 2 months before it popped up on the list.  Recently
> we've been really
> busy and I haven't had a chance to respond. So in a nut shell:
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> Sunflower is a not for profit.  Sunflower has a long term track record
> of slugging it out with the corporate giants, improving/growing,
> and staying in
> business.  Someone wanted to know what Sunflower brought to the table.
> Frankly, Sunflower is the "public network" table right now.
> All the rest is
> pipe dream.   If there is interest in shaping the direction
> etc then that
> requires participation.
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> Sunflower is willing to finance things to whatever degree it can.  I
> don't mean to minimize the financial commitment- it will be large.
> Make no bones
> about it though-its a boot strap thing...but that's good.
> That's why it can
> work.  That's why you and me can play.  That's why the
> corporate giants will
> hate us.
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> We've been in discussions for a year with a national satellite TV
> provider that needs Internet at apartment complexes where they can't
> put up dishes.
> That can provide a place to put broadcast stuff.  We could
> close that deal
> if we had the manpower to actually get it done.
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> Nothing should be on the slide.  We can't build it unless its all
> legal. The big guys will shut us down if it isn't.
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> I think those were the important points.
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> All our effort right now is going towards becoming the first national
> not for profit ISP.  We want to claim the title of NPR or PBS of
> computing. That
> brings money and power to negotiate.  The national network is
> hot and we're
> on the financial clock tweaking the back end systems so we're swamped
> messing with those pesky hidden files.  :)  We will use the
> national network
> to build out these wireless systems where ever there is
> interest.  Interest
> being defined as people who take the initiative trying to get
> things done.
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> At 9:07 PM -0600 11/8/01, Steve Johnson wrote:
> Nope, your not offensive, just omnipotent and pontificative.
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> Yes Mac OS is great as long as you don't attempt to run any real
> applications, or network it, or do any real work with it.  OS-X is
> great as long as you
> don't try to use any Mac aps on it.  I'm in the GA business,
> so I know just
> a
> teensy bit about what I say on this subject....
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> I do agree with your philosophy with learning, except I try to learn
> 10 new things a day.
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> sj
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> >===== Original Message From D. Hageman
> <SMTP:dhageman at dracken.com> =====
> >On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Steev Johnson wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, I have to deal with MAC OS too much already
> thank you.
> >
> >Mac OS is a great operating system and I think that the new
> releases have
> >a lot of potential.   Shoot almost every GUI shell since
> then has tried to
> >replicate it to some degree or another.
> >
> >> It must be great to know everything.
> >
> >Well, I don't know everything yet, but I work closer to that
> goal every
> >day.  Some people say I won't ever reach that goal, but oh well - you
> >gotta try right?  I get the impression that you found some
> of my comments
> >offensive - please look at placement of the smileys to assist you in
> >interperting my comments.  As for the rest of my reply -
> their is good
> >information in there.  I find it a wasted day when I don't learn
> >something.  :-)
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> >
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> >> sj
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: D. Hageman [mailto:dhageman at dracken.com]
> >> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 2:27 PM
> >> To: Steev Johnson
> >> Cc: kclug at kclug.org
> >> Subject: Re: Wine, Whine, installs, and the like
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Steev Johnson wrote:
> >>
> >> > I saw the posts on WINE and I thought about the fact
> that the only way
> >>
> >> > I can bear installing software on Linux is to drink some
> wine first.
> >> > Now
> >>
> >> Well, if that is what you have to do then that is what you
> have to do.
> >> I
> >> recommend that if you think that you are becomming an alcoholic you
> >> switch to Mac OS.  :-)
> >>
> >> > Well, so does Linux.
> >>
> >> No.
> >>
> >> Depends on the distrobution you run and what the philosphy
> is.  If you
> >> get
> >> a BSD style distro you will find that you have neat little
> directories
> >> for
> >> most major pieces of software with the binaries soft
> linked back into
> >> your
> >> path.  RPM/DEB based distros do spread files around, but
> if you know how
> >>
> >> to use your package tool you can find the files very easily.
> >>
> >> rpm -ql <package>
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> >> > Let's take for example the MYSQL package as implemented
> under Trustix,
> >>
> >> > or any other distribution for that matter.  None of the
> RPMS really
> >> > WORK to get it installed, there is still tons of Mickey
> mouse to make
> >> > it work
> >> > - if it ever does.
> >>
> >> Well, sounds like you need to write the maintainers of the
> RPM and let
> >> them know that their RPMs are broken.
> >>
> >> > trying to figure out why safe_mysqld hangs.   What every
> happened to
> >> the
> >> > glorious days of DOS when everything was in the same
> %$&! directory!?
> >> > What was wrong with that?
> >>
> >> Nothing, see above.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Yes, I understand the shared data and the centralized config
> >> > can/should be somewhere else, but this is just a mess!
> Whether it
> >> > gets installed under /usr/bin or /usr/shared or
> usr/local or whatever
> >> > seems to depend on how someone was feeling that day.  Much like
> >> > windows.  At least with windows, I KNOW there are only a
> couple places
> >>
> >> > other than the app directory that they are going to dump
> DLLs and the
> >> > like.
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> >> And why ... because you have run Windows for so long.  It is called
> >> experience.
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> >> > cobol.  If I can't figure this stuff out easily, how is
> the average
> >> > sysop ever going to be able to deal with this?
> >>
> >> No matter how I answer this question it will be bad.  I
> will pass ;-)
> >>
> >> Have fun!
> >>
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> >-- //========================================================\
> >||  D. Hageman                    <dhageman at dracken.com>  ||
> >\========================================================//
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