Linux Konquers the Graphic Arts [RE: Wine, Whine, installs, and the like]

[Brian Densmore]

Yes. You too can be a big famous movie-maker, for $10,000 for the
software (can't remember the brand off hand, Dreamworks and Pixar both
use this software) and $5000 for a killer server.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gene Dascher [mailto:gedascher at multiservice.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 10:17 AM
> To: Kclug
> Subject: RE: Wine, Whine, installs, and the like
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> Actually, I read somewhere just the other day that both 
> Dreamworks and Pixar
> have, either in full or part, switched over to using Linux in their
> production shops for both workstations(cell and 3D animation) and
> servers(render farm, file servers)!  There was an article in 
> Linux Journal a
> few issues back about the switch over that Dreamworks has 
> been making.  For
> the render farm, the SGI boxes that used to take 50 feet of 
> wall space have
> been replaced with Linux rackmount systems that take up about 
> the space of a
> refrigerator!  You gotta love technology!
> 
> Gene
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Densmore [mailto:DensmoreB at ctbsonline.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 9:57 AM
> To: kclug at kclug.org
> Subject: RE: Wine, Whine, installs, and the like
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> This is not flamebait either, but I know many artists who 
> would fight you
> tooth and nail, or at least pencil and paintbrush, on this. 
> Mac is used
> extensively by artists. But Linux is rapidly gobbling up this 
> market. Alas,
> I see doom in Mac's future.
> Cases in point :
> Titanic (the movie), Shrek, Lord of the Rings (due for 
> release very soon -
> and I might add - IT'S ABOUT FREAKIN' TIME!)
> 
> Sorry about that, but Middle Earth is a touchy subject for 
> me. Frodo Lives!
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Palmer [mailto:repalmer at sunflower.org]
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 9:48 AM
> To: Steve Johnson; 'kclug at kclug.org'
> Subject: RE: Wine, Whine, installs, and the like
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> Steve,
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> At 9:07 PM -0600 11/8/01, Steve Johnson wrote:
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> Yes Mac OS is great as long as you don't attempt to run any real
> applications,
> or network it, or do any real work with it.  OS-X is great as 
> long as you
> don't try to use any Mac aps on it.  I'm in the GA business, 
> so I know just
> a
> teensy bit about what I say on this subject....
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> This isn't a flame...just a long standing observation.  Don't 
> want to get
> into a Mac vs the world thing.  But anyone that makes 
> statements about the
> Mac OS like that simply hasn't ever use it or been around it.  You're
> repeating an urban legend of the first order-created and maintained by
> Microsoft.
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> Wine, Windows and other junk........
> 
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> I routinely run Windows  in emulation-under OS 9 
> emulation-under OS X on a
> 350 MHz iMac/786 megs RAM.  Runs about 200 MHz fast.  :)
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> Scattered files.....
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> I think the beef with OS X for most Mac folks is exactly that 
> scattered file
> thing-Mac people are used to concrete places to put stuff which can be
> thrown away in a snap if you don't like it-back to square one 
> no harm done.
> I've found that its easier to get a Mac user up to speed on a 
> PC because
> they have no fear of screwing things up when they should be 
> very afraid.
> Converting PC people to Macs is more difficult because 
> (formerly-OS 9) they
> were very afraid of screwing things up when they should have 
> been having
> fun.   My guess is that Apple will be a dual OS company for 
> quite sometime.
> Maybe that's the way it should be.
> 
> 
> Lastly and most important....
> Revisiting community/public networking/wireless .
> 
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> I do want to get back and discuss this seriously.  I posted 
> that article
> nearly 2 months before it popped up on the list.  Recently 
> we've been really
> busy and I haven't had a chance to respond. So in a nut shell:
> 
> 
> Sunflower is a not for profit.  Sunflower has a long term 
> track record of
> slugging it out with the corporate giants, improving/growing, 
> and staying in
> business.  Someone wanted to know what Sunflower brought to the table.
> Frankly, Sunflower is the "public network" table right now.  
> All the rest is
> pipe dream.   If there is interest in shaping the direction 
> etc then that
> requires participation.
> 
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> Sunflower is willing to finance things to whatever degree it 
> can.  I don't
> mean to minimize the financial commitment- it will be large.  
> Make no bones
> about it though-its a boot strap thing...but that's good.  
> That's why it can
> work.  That's why you and me can play.  That's why the 
> corporate giants will
> hate us.
> 
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> We've been in discussions for a year with a national 
> satellite TV provider
> that needs Internet at apartment complexes where they can't 
> put up dishes.
> That can provide a place to put broadcast stuff.  We could 
> close that deal
> if we had the manpower to actually get it done.
> 
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> Nothing should be on the slide.  We can't build it unless its 
> all legal.
> The big guys will shut us down if it isn't.
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> I think those were the important points.
> 
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> All our effort right now is going towards becoming the first 
> national not
> for profit ISP.  We want to claim the title of NPR or PBS of 
> computing. That
> brings money and power to negotiate.  The national network is 
> hot and we're
> on the financial clock tweaking the back end systems so we're swamped
> messing with those pesky hidden files.  :)  We will use the 
> national network
> to build out these wireless systems where ever there is 
> interest.  Interest
> being defined as people who take the initiative trying to get 
> things done.
> :)
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> At 9:07 PM -0600 11/8/01, Steve Johnson wrote:
> Nope, your not offensive, just omnipotent and pontificative.
> 
> Yes Mac OS is great as long as you don't attempt to run any real
> applications,
> or network it, or do any real work with it.  OS-X is great as 
> long as you
> don't try to use any Mac aps on it.  I'm in the GA business, 
> so I know just
> a
> teensy bit about what I say on this subject....
> 
> I do agree with your philosophy with learning, except I try 
> to learn 10 new
> things a day.
> 
> sj
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> >===== Original Message From D. Hageman 
> <SMTP:dhageman at dracken.com> =====
> >On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Steev Johnson wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, I have to deal with MAC OS too much already 
> thank you.
> >
> >Mac OS is a great operating system and I think that the new 
> releases have
> >a lot of potential.   Shoot almost every GUI shell since 
> then has tried to
> >replicate it to some degree or another.
> >
> >> It must be great to know everything.
> >
> >Well, I don't know everything yet, but I work closer to that 
> goal every
> >day.  Some people say I won't ever reach that goal, but oh well - you
> >gotta try right?  I get the impression that you found some 
> of my comments
> >offensive - please look at placement of the smileys to assist you in
> >interperting my comments.  As for the rest of my reply - 
> their is good
> >information in there.  I find it a wasted day when I don't learn
> >something.  :-)
> >
> >
> >>
> >> sj
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: D. Hageman [mailto:dhageman at dracken.com]
> >> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 2:27 PM
> >> To: Steev Johnson
> >> Cc: kclug at kclug.org
> >> Subject: Re: Wine, Whine, installs, and the like
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Steev Johnson wrote:
> >>
> >> > I saw the posts on WINE and I thought about the fact 
> that the only way
> >>
> >> > I can bear installing software on Linux is to drink some 
> wine first.
> >> > Now
> >>
> >> Well, if that is what you have to do then that is what you 
> have to do.
> >> I
> >> recommend that if you think that you are becomming an alcoholic you
> >> switch
> >> to Mac OS.  :-)
> >>
> >> > Well, so does Linux.
> >>
> >> No.
> >>
> >> Depends on the distrobution you run and what the philosphy 
> is.  If you
> >> get
> >> a BSD style distro you will find that you have neat little 
> directories
> >> for
> >> most major pieces of software with the binaries soft 
> linked back into
> >> your
> >> path.  RPM/DEB based distros do spread files around, but 
> if you know how
> >>
> >> to use your package tool you can find the files very easily.
> >>
> >> rpm -ql <package>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Let's take for example the MYSQL package as implemented 
> under Trustix,
> >>
> >> > or any other distribution for that matter.  None of the 
> RPMS really
> >> > WORK to get it installed, there is still tons of Mickey 
> mouse to make
> >> > it work
> >> > - if it ever does.
> >>
> >> Well, sounds like you need to write the maintainers of the 
> RPM and let
> >> them know that their RPMs are broken.
> >>
> >> > trying to figure out why safe_mysqld hangs.   What every 
> happened to
> >> the
> >> > glorious days of DOS when everything was in the same 
> %$&! directory!?
> >> > What was wrong with that?
> >>
> >> Nothing, see above.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Yes, I understand the shared data and the centralized config
> >> > can/should be somewhere else, but this is just a mess!  
> Whether it
> >> > gets installed under /usr/bin or /usr/shared or 
> usr/local or whatever
> >> > seems to depend on how someone was feeling that day.  Much like
> >> > windows.  At least with windows, I KNOW there are only a 
> couple places
> >>
> >> > other than the app directory that they are going to dump 
> DLLs and the
> >> > like.
> >>
> >> And why ... because you have run Windows for so long.  It is called
> >> experience.
> >>
> >> > cobol.  If I can't figure this stuff out easily, how is 
> the average
> >> > sysop ever going to be able to deal with this?
> >>
> >> No matter how I answer this question it will be bad.  I 
> will pass ;-)
> >>
> >> Have fun!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >--
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> >||  D. Hageman                    <dhageman at dracken.com>  ||
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