I suggest we discuss this more either in #kclug or I could start a new channel specifically for it... In particular, we want to see what our planned features are (preferably anything everyone suggests), priorities, and such before we actually start coding. So this would be not just for developers and mappers, but for anyone who would want to use it (which might not require a GPS-- I'd like to support triangulation based on wireless AP signal strengths). :)
On 11/16/06, Luke -Jr <luke@dashjr.org> wrote:
I suggest we discuss this more either in #kclug or I could start a new channel specifically for it...
In particular, we want to see what our planned features are (preferably anything everyone suggests), priorities, and such before we actually start coding. So this would be not just for developers and mappers, but for anyone who would want to use it (which might not require a GPS-- I'd like to support triangulation based on wireless AP signal strengths). :) _______________________________________________ Kclug mailing list Kclug@kclug.org http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug
This warrants potentially seting up a formal list of it's own. With consideration being given to the GPS enabled hardware that soon may be abandoned by Nextel as part of band reassignments. As for the AP strength concept- There are many RF sources-some like the new "HD Radio" that have embedded timebase data streams. Extraction and comparison is a non-trivial but possible position data source unless I am totally wrong in my understandang of how such things work. If HD radio has OSS hardware? I humbly suggest a hybrid approach of the "passive" rf level and an "active" one of ping times. Yes, there ae many variables influencing ping times. The factors that make ping time correlation part of this kind of process are validating path viablity,sharing node granualarity informations, and overall matrix integrity potential. Bluntly put-each element that enhances accuracy and stability is a good thing. Potentially I suspect we could in microscale replicate DGPS style correction data. Oren
On Thursday 16 November 2006 17:37, you wrote:
This warrants potentially seting up a formal list of it's own.
Perhaps... On that matter, I don't suppose anyone knows of software that supports a common database behind ML/NNTP/forum frontends, do they?
With consideration being given to the GPS enabled hardware that soon may be abandoned by Nextel as part of band reassignments.
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As for the AP strength concept- There are many RF sources-some like the new "HD Radio" that have embedded timebase data streams. Extraction and comparison is a non-trivial but possible position data source unless I am totally wrong in my understandang of how such things work. If HD radio has OSS hardware?
WiFi is particularly well-suited for triangulation because most APs do not move, and many laptops come WiFi-enabled.
I humbly suggest a hybrid approach of the "passive" rf level and an "active" one of ping times. Yes, there ae many variables influencing ping times. The factors that make ping time correlation part of this kind of process are validating path viablity,sharing node granualarity informations, and overall matrix integrity potential. Bluntly put-each element that enhances accuracy and stability is a good thing. Potentially I suspect we could in microscale replicate DGPS style correction data.
Pinging would require associating with the networks, wouldn't it? Do any cards allow associating to multiple networks and/or scanning at the same time?
I had suggested something similar on kclug chat a while back. specifically, software that could be used in conjunction with each other with three laptops using signal strenght for triangulation. It would require three mobile units in line with each other or parallel with each other running and using some type of free map, Google maps perhaps? i think it is possible to nail wireless transmitters down to the room in a house this way. High rise apartments could be done the same way by two on one floor, and a third under provided the halls ran the same way. the same could be done for locating wireless laptops in any public building. _________________________________________________________________ Get free, personalized commercial-free online radio with MSN Radio powered by Pandora http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001
On Friday 17 November 2006 00:24, Dale Beams wrote:
I had suggested something similar on kclug chat a while back. specifically, software that could be used in conjunction with each other with three laptops using signal strenght for triangulation. It would require three mobile units in line with each other or parallel with each other running and using some type of free map, Google maps perhaps? i think it is possible to nail wireless transmitters down to the room in a house this way. High rise apartments could be done the same way by two on one floor, and a third under provided the halls ran the same way. the same could be done for locating wireless laptops in any public building.
With a GPS unit, a single laptop with good code could do this just by the owner driving around (assuming the AP isn't moving).
This for one would help me locate rouge wireless on my network, or in the vicinity of my networks. _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://clk...
Huh? So how do you locate the rouge wireless on a network. I have a linksys, very low powered that keeps showing up in my office and I would like to locate it. Is it a printer? Is it someone's wireless they decided to sneak in? Is it in building one, two, or three? I think it may be accross the street but I am not sure. My logs don't show active use from that IP, but just the same, it makes me uneasy.
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On 11/16/06, Dale Beams <drbeams@hotmail.com> wrote:
This for one would help me locate rouge wireless on my network, or in the vicinity of my networks.
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On Thu, 2006-11-16 at 16:49 -0600, Luke -Jr wrote:
I suggest we discuss this more either in #kclug or I could start a new channel specifically for it...
In particular, we want to see what our planned features are (preferably anything everyone suggests), priorities, and such before we actually start coding. So this would be not just for developers and mappers, but for anyone who would want to use it (which might not require a GPS-- I'd like to support triangulation based on wireless AP signal strengths). :)
Already been started: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2412 It's come quite a ways since that initial blog posting.
On Friday 17 November 2006 07:02, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
On Thu, 2006-11-16 at 16:49 -0600, Luke -Jr wrote:
I suggest we discuss this more either in #kclug or I could start a new channel specifically for it...
In particular, we want to see what our planned features are (preferably anything everyone suggests), priorities, and such before we actually start coding. So this would be not just for developers and mappers, but for anyone who would want to use it (which might not require a GPS-- I'd like to support triangulation based on wireless AP signal strengths). :)
Already been started:
http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2412
It's come quite a ways since that initial blog posting.
Um, no... Unless they've totally redone their goals, that project is merely a globe widget...
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