Ok- I have been giving prints of this truly incredible tutorial: http://www.shockfamily.net/cedric/knoppix/index32.html Along with the Knoppix cd for several years now. So far the # of not only "rescue success stories" but actual Linux new users from this project is really worth studying. Here's the overview of WHY. Last month my wife was ill so I was unable to run calls. One customer had a stupid employee "Virus&Crash" their primary WinXP box. Yeah- firing the kid sadly does not make the data accessible again. The hero of their day was not so much "me" for handing his son the Shockfamily link a year ago- but Mr Shock's project itself! Well, can we see about posting the link at minimum- if not a mirror with Permission formally requested of course. A few years ago -. I asked Cedric if he minded my "handout" of his project's screen prints and he at that time replied in email-"no problem." So I think he'd not object if formally asked. As for the Big Why? So someone searching for recovery of data from Windows will perhaps be guided to a low risk self rescue, Or perhaps be guided to a KCLUG meeting. -- Oren Beck 816.729.3645