What Spring 4G cards work with Linux? I am making the bold assumption that there must be someone on here that knows this off the top of their head. :-) It appears that 3G is well supported, albeit with some USB tweaks. But I'm not hopeful from what I've found for drivers getting 4G speeds being supported on Linux. Help me choose. Thanks, Jim
OK, I may have answered my own question, but I would still like to hear other's opinions. The Overdrive Hot Spot gives me a 4G connection, and allows up to 5 WiFi connections to it. That allows any OS to use it. Sound good? Yes, I know Let me know what you think. Jim On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Jim Herrmann <kclug@itdepends.com> wrote:
What Spring 4G cards work with Linux? I am making the bold assumption that there must be someone on here that knows this off the top of their head. :-)
It appears that 3G is well supported, albeit with some USB tweaks. But I'm not hopeful from what I've found for drivers getting 4G speeds being supported on Linux.
Help me choose.
Thanks, Jim
The Sprint 4G modem by Motorola has no drivers to worry about. Hooked up to your wireless router provides whole house coverage. I switched last month and get 3-4mbps download consistently in KC. Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint! ----- Reply message ----- From: "Jim Herrmann" <kclug@itdepends.com> Date: Mon, Jan 17, 2011 4:32 pm Subject: 4G Cards To: "kclug@kclug.org" <kclug@kclug.org> OK, I may have answered my own question, but I would still like to hear other's opinions. The Overdrive Hot Spot gives me a 4G connection, and allows up to 5 WiFi connections to it. That allows any OS to use it. Sound good? Yes, I know Let me know what you think. Jim On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Jim Herrmann <kclug@itdepends.com<mailto:kclug@itdepends.com>> wrote: What Spring 4G cards work with Linux? I am making the bold assumption that there must be someone on here that knows this off the top of their head. :-) It appears that 3G is well supported, albeit with some USB tweaks. But I'm not hopeful from what I've found for drivers getting 4G speeds being supported on Linux. Help me choose. Thanks, Jim ________________________________ This e-mail may contain Sprint Nextel proprietary information intended for the sole use of the recipient(s). Any use by others is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies of the message.
Did I mention that it needs to be portable? I have a cable modem at my house. I've seen 10MB download speeds from that. Not looking to replace that. I need to be mobile. Columbus, OH, Panera bread, any restaurant or coffee shop, etc. I want to be able to be wired in to do billable work from any city in the US, any place I want to hang out and people watch that particular day. The beach is probably not practical at this point in Kansas, but that's the general idea. 4G makes the completely mobile office totally possible. I'm getting on that band wagon. I now have two customers that will pay me very good money to work on their projects, from a distance. Yeah baby! Wire me up, or rather, unwire me up! I have, or rather my business has, put in an order for the Overdrive. For what it will cost, if it saves me an hour or two over the course of each month futzing around with connections, it will totally pay for itself. The device looks pretty cool. 4G to WiFi up to 150 feet away for up to five devices, and it's battery powered, like a cell phone, so it can just sit there on the table, connected to nothing, and give your whole house 3-6 GBS download speed. That is just too f-ing cool. Of course, like a cell phone, it has to be charged, or be plugged into the wall or USB. I need to get me some of that extra battery power for USB powered devices that I've seen for sale. I will do some personal testing over the next few weeks and report back to the group on how well it works. Wish me luck! Peace, Jim On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Geoffrion, Ron P [IT] < Ron.Geoffrion@sprint.com> wrote:
The Sprint 4G modem by Motorola has no drivers to worry about. Hooked up to your wireless router provides whole house coverage.
I switched last month and get 3-4mbps download consistently in KC.
Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!
----- Reply message ----- From: "Jim Herrmann" <kclug@itdepends.com> Date: Mon, Jan 17, 2011 4:32 pm Subject: 4G Cards To: "kclug@kclug.org" <kclug@kclug.org>
OK, I may have answered my own question, but I would still like to hear other's opinions.
The Overdrive Hot Spot gives me a 4G connection, and allows up to 5 WiFi connections to it. That allows any OS to use it. Sound good? Yes, I know
Let me know what you think.
Jim
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Jim Herrmann <kclug@itdepends.com> wrote:
What Spring 4G cards work with Linux? I am making the bold assumption that there must be someone on here that knows this off the top of their head. :-)
It appears that 3G is well supported, albeit with some USB tweaks. But I'm not hopeful from what I've found for drivers getting 4G speeds being supported on Linux.
Help me choose.
Thanks, Jim
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What about using an Android phone with USB and/or WiFi tethering? On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Jim Herrmann <kclug@itdepends.com> wrote:
Did I mention that it needs to be portable? I have a cable modem at my house. I've seen 10MB download speeds from that. Not looking to replace that. I need to be mobile. Columbus, OH, Panera bread, any restaurant or coffee shop, etc. I want to be able to be wired in to do billable work from any city in the US, any place I want to hang out and people watch that particular day. The beach is probably not practical at this point in Kansas, but that's the general idea. 4G makes the completely mobile office totally possible. I'm getting on that band wagon. I now have two customers that will pay me very good money to work on their projects, from a distance. Yeah baby! Wire me up, or rather, unwire me up!
I have, or rather my business has, put in an order for the Overdrive. For what it will cost, if it saves me an hour or two over the course of each month futzing around with connections, it will totally pay for itself. The device looks pretty cool. 4G to WiFi up to 150 feet away for up to five devices, and it's battery powered, like a cell phone, so it can just sit there on the table, connected to nothing, and give your whole house 3-6 GBS download speed. That is just too f-ing cool. Of course, like a cell phone, it has to be charged, or be plugged into the wall or USB. I need to get me some of that extra battery power for USB powered devices that I've seen for sale.
I will do some personal testing over the next few weeks and report back to the group on how well it works. Wish me luck!
Peace, Jim
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Geoffrion, Ron P [IT] <Ron.Geoffrion@sprint.com> wrote:
The Sprint 4G modem by Motorola has no drivers to worry about. Hooked up to your wireless router provides whole house coverage.
I switched last month and get 3-4mbps download consistently in KC.
Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!
----- Reply message ----- From: "Jim Herrmann" <kclug@itdepends.com> Date: Mon, Jan 17, 2011 4:32 pm Subject: 4G Cards To: "kclug@kclug.org" <kclug@kclug.org>
OK, I may have answered my own question, but I would still like to hear other's opinions.
The Overdrive Hot Spot gives me a 4G connection, and allows up to 5 WiFi connections to it. That allows any OS to use it. Sound good? Yes, I know
Let me know what you think.
Jim
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Jim Herrmann <kclug@itdepends.com> wrote:
What Spring 4G cards work with Linux? I am making the bold assumption that there must be someone on here that knows this off the top of their head. :-)
It appears that 3G is well supported, albeit with some USB tweaks. But I'm not hopeful from what I've found for drivers getting 4G speeds being supported on Linux.
Help me choose.
Thanks, Jim
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Tethering on andriod kinda sucks. The 4g performance you get is highly hardware dependent, and as of right now you can't have a 4g connection and voice simultaneously. So at this point, a dedicated device seems the better option. At least from what I've read :) Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2011, at 11:57 PM, Philip Dorr <tagno25@gmail.com> wrote:
What about using an Android phone with USB and/or WiFi tethering?
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Jim Herrmann <kclug@itdepends.com> wrote:
Did I mention that it needs to be portable? I have a cable modem at my house. I've seen 10MB download speeds from that. Not looking to replace that. I need to be mobile. Columbus, OH, Panera bread, any restaurant or coffee shop, etc. I want to be able to be wired in to do billable work from any city in the US, any place I want to hang out and people watch that particular day. The beach is probably not practical at this point in Kansas, but that's the general idea. 4G makes the completely mobile office totally possible. I'm getting on that band wagon. I now have two customers that will pay me very good money to work on their projects, from a distance. Yeah baby! Wire me up, or rather, unwire me up!
I have, or rather my business has, put in an order for the Overdrive. For what it will cost, if it saves me an hour or two over the course of each month futzing around with connections, it will totally pay for itself. The device looks pretty cool. 4G to WiFi up to 150 feet away for up to five devices, and it's battery powered, like a cell phone, so it can just sit there on the table, connected to nothing, and give your whole house 3-6 GBS download speed. That is just too f-ing cool. Of course, like a cell phone, it has to be charged, or be plugged into the wall or USB. I need to get me some of that extra battery power for USB powered devices that I've seen for sale.
I will do some personal testing over the next few weeks and report back to the group on how well it works. Wish me luck!
Peace, Jim
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Geoffrion, Ron P [IT] <Ron.Geoffrion@sprint.com> wrote:
The Sprint 4G modem by Motorola has no drivers to worry about. Hooked up to your wireless router provides whole house coverage.
I switched last month and get 3-4mbps download consistently in KC.
Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!
----- Reply message ----- From: "Jim Herrmann" <kclug@itdepends.com> Date: Mon, Jan 17, 2011 4:32 pm Subject: 4G Cards To: "kclug@kclug.org" <kclug@kclug.org>
OK, I may have answered my own question, but I would still like to hear other's opinions.
The Overdrive Hot Spot gives me a 4G connection, and allows up to 5 WiFi connections to it. That allows any OS to use it. Sound good? Yes, I know
Let me know what you think.
Jim
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Jim Herrmann <kclug@itdepends.com> wrote:
What Spring 4G cards work with Linux? I am making the bold assumption that there must be someone on here that knows this off the top of their head. :-)
It appears that 3G is well supported, albeit with some USB tweaks. But I'm not hopeful from what I've found for drivers getting 4G speeds being supported on Linux.
Help me choose.
Thanks, Jim
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On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Jim Herrmann <kclug@itdepends.com> wrote:
Did I mention that it needs to be portable? I have a cable modem at my house. I've seen 10MB download speeds from that. Not looking to replace that. I need to be mobile. Columbus, OH, Panera bread, any restaurant or coffee shop, etc. I want to be able to be wired in to do billable work from any city in the US, any place I want to hang out and people watch that particular day. The beach is probably not practical at this point in Kansas, but that's the general idea. 4G makes the completely mobile office totally possible.
It does, if you have coverage. If you're counting on 4G being everywhere, you'll be sorely disappointed. While 4G is great when you have it, the coverage areas for all carriers of it are quite small. Consider if 3G makes your mobile office possible and you're thinking along the right lines. 4G will just be gravy when you're in a coverage area. -- Chris
True that. Plus, under the plan, one only gets 5GB on 3G, so if you get outside the 4G connection, there are other limits, besides just speed. That's why I'm saying the beach probably won't work. ;-) On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Christofer C. Bell < christofer.c.bell@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Jim Herrmann <kclug@itdepends.com> wrote:
Did I mention that it needs to be portable? I have a cable modem at my house. I've seen 10MB download speeds from that. Not looking to replace that. I need to be mobile. Columbus, OH, Panera bread, any restaurant or coffee shop, etc. I want to be able to be wired in to do billable work from any city in the US, any place I want to hang out and people watch that particular day. The beach is probably not practical at this point in Kansas, but that's the general idea. 4G makes the completely mobile office totally possible.
It does, if you have coverage. If you're counting on 4G being everywhere, you'll be sorely disappointed. While 4G is great when you have it, the coverage areas for all carriers of it are quite small. Consider if 3G makes your mobile office possible and you're thinking along the right lines. 4G will just be gravy when you're in a coverage area.
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True that. Plus, under the plan, one only gets 5GB on 3G, so if you get outside the 4G connection, there are other limits, besides just speed. That's why I'm saying the beach probably won't work. ;-) On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Christofer C. Bell < christofer.c.bell@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Jim Herrmann <kclug@itdepends.com> wrote:
Did I mention that it needs to be portable? I have a cable modem at my house. I've seen 10MB download speeds from that. Not looking to replace that. I need to be mobile. Columbus, OH, Panera bread, any restaurant or coffee shop, etc. I want to be able to be wired in to do billable work from any city in the US, any place I want to hang out and people watch that particular day. The beach is probably not practical at this point in Kansas, but that's the general idea. 4G makes the completely mobile office totally possible.
It does, if you have coverage. If you're counting on 4G being everywhere, you'll be sorely disappointed. While 4G is great when you have it, the coverage areas for all carriers of it are quite small. Consider if 3G makes your mobile office possible and you're thinking along the right lines. 4G will just be gravy when you're in a coverage area.
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One thing to point out. Even if you don't think android tethering is easy or fun, or whatever, it is the only way to use unlimited data, because if you adb tether, your carrier can not distinguish your computer's usage from your phone's, and at least with my carrier, Verizon, and my plan, it is actually unlimited.
Most carriers won't allow unlimited data with tethering. With unlimited plans, they're sized to assume a maximum throughput that the phone can provide. Tethering drastically increases that throughput. Yes, you can root your phone to get around it, but i don't think the carriers will look kindly on that, and I'm pretty sure if you exceed the maximums they'll notice. So even though it's "unlimited," it's really not. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Billy Crook <billycrook@gmail.com> wrote:
One thing to point out.
Even if you don't think android tethering is easy or fun, or whatever, it is the only way to use unlimited data, because if you adb tether, your carrier can not distinguish your computer's usage from your phone's, and at least with my carrier, Verizon, and my plan, it is actually unlimited. _______________________________________________ KCLUG mailing list KCLUG@kclug.org http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug
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Heavens! My last message must have gotten corrupted somewhere... Allow me to repeat.
your carrier can not distinguish your computer's usage from your phone's,
The quantity you use may increase when you begin tethering. If you weren't tethering from the start. My unlimited plan is not 'sized' it is, unlimited. Again, this is Verizon. Who knows what the others do. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:16, Nathan Cerny <ncerny@gmail.com> wrote:
Most carriers won't allow unlimited data with tethering. With unlimited plans, they're sized to assume a maximum throughput that the phone can provide. Tethering drastically increases that throughput.
No. It in no way decreases increases throughput. It actually decreases it, if anything because of the overhead associated with adb, and the usb interface. It's not too big a deal though. It's fine for normal human stuff. I wouldn't try updating all the software on my laptop over it, but I have installed various software from the repos through it. 3G speeds and latency are complete garbage compared to the physically anchored connectivity available to me, so I prefer to use the wired Ethernet or 802.11 access if available.
Yes, you can root your phone to get around it, but i don't think the
You do not need to root an android phone to use adb. Enable USB debugging, install the android SDK on your computer, and you are done. It's not ideal in that it requires "special software" on your computer, but it is Free Software. And the install is trivial. There is no change to the phone. This requires absolutely no software to be installed on the phone other than what was on it the day Verizon peeled the screen stickers off, and sat it in your hot little hands. Bring any Android phone in to the next LUG meeting, and I will demonstrate.
carriers will look kindly on that, and I'm pretty sure if you exceed the maximums they'll notice. So even though it's "unlimited," it's really not.
I have never had a month in which I used less than 5GB. I have on several occasions exceeded 20. I have NEVER heard a peep. The only fluctuations on my bill are those approximate $1 line tax charge crap fees. I imagine the reason they don't care is that 99 out of 100 android phones today are in the hands of people who think facebook is the internet, use yahoo mail, and don't know what a browser means, but they want their tweets. The proles don't even know what a GB is, so the carriers are making a killing off them, and don't mind as much when they actually deliver the service a subscriber is paying for.
Very true on all of your points. And I honestly don't know how Verizon handles it. I know AT&T's "Unlimited" plan is sold as unlimited with the thought that you're only going to be doing certain things on your phone. So they've build out the infrastructure to support so much bandwidth. It is unlimited, but it's really not for that reason :) That's why they force you to go to a capped plan when you enable tethering. I just assumed the other carriers were doing similar things. I wasn't clear about what I meant with increasing throughput. Tethering does increase throughput, not because of the amount of data you can pull, but because of the amount of data you want to pull. Think about streaming video - on a phone running at 900x300px, you're pulling much less data than streaming 720p on your computer over 4g on your phone. That's the point I was trying to make :) You are right though, that 99% of the smartphone users out there don't use any bandwidth at all. Cool about adb. I hadn't realized it existed - only way I knew of doing it was to root the phone or purchase tethering. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Billy Crook <billycrook@gmail.com> wrote:
Heavens! My last message must have gotten corrupted somewhere... Allow me to repeat.
your carrier can not distinguish your computer's usage from your phone's,
The quantity you use may increase when you begin tethering. If you weren't tethering from the start.
My unlimited plan is not 'sized' it is, unlimited. Again, this is Verizon. Who knows what the others do.
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:16, Nathan Cerny <ncerny@gmail.com> wrote:
Most carriers won't allow unlimited data with tethering. With unlimited plans, they're sized to assume a maximum throughput that the phone can provide. Tethering drastically increases that throughput.
No. It in no way decreases increases throughput. It actually decreases it, if anything because of the overhead associated with adb, and the usb interface. It's not too big a deal though. It's fine for normal human stuff. I wouldn't try updating all the software on my laptop over it, but I have installed various software from the repos through it. 3G speeds and latency are complete garbage compared to the physically anchored connectivity available to me, so I prefer to use the wired Ethernet or 802.11 access if available.
Yes, you can root your phone to get around it, but i don't think the
You do not need to root an android phone to use adb. Enable USB debugging, install the android SDK on your computer, and you are done. It's not ideal in that it requires "special software" on your computer, but it is Free Software. And the install is trivial.
There is no change to the phone. This requires absolutely no software to be installed on the phone other than what was on it the day Verizon peeled the screen stickers off, and sat it in your hot little hands.
Bring any Android phone in to the next LUG meeting, and I will demonstrate.
carriers will look kindly on that, and I'm pretty sure if you exceed the maximums they'll notice. So even though it's "unlimited," it's really not.
I have never had a month in which I used less than 5GB. I have on several occasions exceeded 20. I have NEVER heard a peep. The only fluctuations on my bill are those approximate $1 line tax charge crap fees.
I imagine the reason they don't care is that 99 out of 100 android phones today are in the hands of people who think facebook is the internet, use yahoo mail, and don't know what a browser means, but they want their tweets. The proles don't even know what a GB is, so the carriers are making a killing off them, and don't mind as much when they actually deliver the service a subscriber is paying for.
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On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 13:49, Nathan Cerny <ncerny@gmail.com> wrote:
Cool about adb. I hadn't realized it existed - only way I knew of doing it was to root the phone or purchase tethering.
Its very clever how it works. Essentially you get to open tcp ports on your laptop and proxy connections made to them through your phone. it facilitates debugging, amongst other things. adb does not, so far as I am aware, work over wifi or bluetooth, so it means your phone gets to charge over the same cable that links it to the laptop, and neither waste energy on additional radios to link them.
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Very true on all of your points. And I honestly don't know how Verizon handles it. I know AT&T's "Unlimited" plan is sold as unlimited with the thought that you're only going to be doing certain things on your phone. So they've build out the infrastructure to support so much bandwidth. It is unlimited, but it's really not for that reason :) That's why they force you to go to a capped plan when you enable tethering. I just assumed the other carriers were doing similar things.
<heh> I would advise against extrapolating the crappy way AT&T decides to build out their network and treat their "customers" to the rest of the civilized world. :) One of my favorite comments I recall seeing on the iPhone 4 antenna issue was the fact that (most) everyone testing the early units was in Silicon Valley, where AT&T dropping your call was pretty much a foregone conclusion...bad antenna or not. :) - -- Charles Steinkuehler charles@steinkuehler.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk019OcACgkQLywbqEHdNFwLyQCfUUZ3mTNUd76if5NhK8ly/9rb ZU4AoJ2y8isjb+vrJc2VBXo0wTSERHUH =fWjs -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Interesting thread. I wonder what the normal traffic for a business might be. I'm currently (slow time) running about a 1GB/wk for my "office essentials", but could easily double or quintuple that figure. Depending on how busy I am and how much of a personal/family life I'm willing to sacrifice. I suspect most months I'm well over that 5GB limit. The question then being how much of that time would be mobile and require using a data connection on my dime. I admit, the prospect of making my office portable is very enticing. For my needs, 3G speeds would probably suffice. Jack --- On Tue, 1/18/11, Jim Herrmann <kclug@itdepends.com> wrote: From: Jim Herrmann <kclug@itdepends.com> Subject: Re: 4G Cards To: "Kclug" <kclug@kclug.org> Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 9:29 AM True that. Plus, under the plan, one only gets 5GB on 3G, so if you get outside the 4G connection, there are other limits, besides just speed. That's why I'm saying the beach probably won't work. ;-)
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