Anyone know if one can write AND deploy iOS applications from Linux? Anyone ever used PhoneGap in Linux? Best iPhone/iPad emulator? Cheap Apple development box? I'm putting together some lesson plans for my grandson, who "says" he might want to become a game coder. Not sure he's going to love seeing all that applied Math and Physics though. Thanks, Jack
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Jack <quiet_celt@yahoo.com> wrote:
Anyone know if one can write AND deploy iOS applications from Linux?
Not really. If you're programming for iOS, you're writing against the UI that iOS provides. Linux doesn't provide the same user interface. That said, Objective-C is available for both. Debian (and derivatives): gobjc Fedora (and derivatives): libobjc
Anyone ever used PhoneGap in Linux?
Never heard of it.
Best iPhone/iPad emulator?
The one that comes with the iOS SDK. http://developer.apple.com/devcenter/ios/index.action
Cheap Apple development box?
A Mac mini. http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Thanks, Jack
-- Chris
Thanks Chris, What I really meant was what is the best development environment on Linux. I'm aware the best environment is on Macs with the official SDK. Deploying, would really just have been a bonus. I have no desire to write iPhone Apps, but my grandson might. He's not in a financial situation to go and buy a Mac or even get a developer license from Apple. I myself am disinclined to obtain said tools for him. A truly cheap Mac, I might be willing to buy. Cheap as in older, used, discarded, PC hardware, cheap. I've known about the Objective-C compiler in GNU for years. I've seen the iphone-dev site, which seems abandoned, and thus was not sure even what level of development is possible in Linux. Was not sure about the VM capabilities either. I have no intentions of clicking through any Apple EULA/NDA. Especially considering the DOJs latest stand on things. I would allow my underage grandson to do such, except now the DOJ is calling him (and every US minor) a criminal who should be prosecuted, simply due to the fact: they are minors, the CFAA, and Google's TOS. For those, new to the story, the DOJ says it's a crime to violate the TOS of a website. Google's TOS forbid minors, because they cannot legally enter into a contract. Hence any minor can't legally use Google without becoming a felon per CFAA. I'm pretty sure just about every teen in America has used Google. http://www.google.com/accounts/TOS "2.3 You may not use the Services and may not accept the Terms if (a) you are not of legal age to form a binding contract with Google, or (b) you are a person barred from receiving the Services under the laws of the United States or other countries including the country in which you are resident or from which you use the Services." Brilliant. Thanks again, Jack ________________________________ From: Christofer C. Bell <christofer.c.bell@gmail.com> To: Jack <quiet_celt@yahoo.com> Cc: Kclug <kclug@kclug.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 5:54 PM Subject: Re: iOS application on Linux On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Jack <quiet_celt@yahoo.com> wrote:
Anyone know if one can write AND deploy iOS applications from Linux?
Not really. If you're programming for iOS, you're writing against the UI that iOS provides. Linux doesn't provide the same user interface. That said, Objective-C is available for both. Debian (and derivatives): gobjc Fedora (and derivatives): libobjc
Anyone ever used PhoneGap in Linux?
Never heard of it.
Best iPhone/iPad emulator?
The one that comes with the iOS SDK. http://developer.apple.com/devcenter/ios/index.action
Cheap Apple development box?
A Mac mini. http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Thanks, Jack
-- Chris
well this sounds like a good project, to port the api over. What would it take to get an example objective c code running on linux? I would like to try that. Just take public examples. best would be freely licensed ones and compile them, adding in the stubs as you go. mike On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Jack <quiet_celt@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thanks Chris, What I really meant was what is the best development environment on Linux. I'm aware the best environment is on Macs with the official SDK. Deploying, would really just have been a bonus. I have no desire to write iPhone Apps, but my grandson might. He's not in a financial situation to go and buy a Mac or even get a developer license from Apple. I myself am disinclined to obtain said tools for him. A truly cheap Mac, I might be willing to buy. Cheap as in older, used, discarded, PC hardware, cheap. I've known about the Objective-C compiler in GNU for years. I've seen the iphone-dev site, which seems abandoned, and thus was not sure even what level of development is possible in Linux. Was not sure about the VM capabilities either. I have no intentions of clicking through any Apple EULA/NDA. Especially considering the DOJs latest stand on things.
I would allow my underage grandson to do such, except now the DOJ is calling him (and every US minor) a criminal who should be prosecuted, simply due to the fact: they are minors, the CFAA, and Google's TOS.
For those, new to the story, the DOJ says it's a crime to violate the TOS of a website. Google's TOS forbid minors, because they cannot legally enter into a contract. Hence any minor can't legally use Google without becoming a felon per CFAA. I'm pretty sure just about every teen in America has used Google.
http://www.google.com/accounts/TOS "2.3 You may not use the Services and may not accept the Terms if (a) you are not of legal age to form a binding contract with Google, or (b) you are a person barred from receiving the Services under the laws of the United States or other countries including the country in which you are resident or from which you use the Services." Brilliant. Thanks again, Jack
________________________________ From: Christofer C. Bell <christofer.c.bell@gmail.com> To: Jack <quiet_celt@yahoo.com> Cc: Kclug <kclug@kclug.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 5:54 PM Subject: Re: iOS application on Linux
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Jack <quiet_celt@yahoo.com> wrote:
Anyone know if one can write AND deploy iOS applications from Linux?
Not really. If you're programming for iOS, you're writing against the UI that iOS provides. Linux doesn't provide the same user interface. That said, Objective-C is available for both.
Debian (and derivatives): gobjc Fedora (and derivatives): libobjc
Anyone ever used PhoneGap in Linux?
Never heard of it.
Best iPhone/iPad emulator?
The one that comes with the iOS SDK. http://developer.apple.com/devcenter/ios/index.action
Cheap Apple development box?
A Mac mini. http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Thanks, Jack
-- Chris
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http://code.google.com/p/cooliris-toolkit/ i am going to try and compile some code from this toolkit for linux with objc and see how far I get. mike On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:10 AM, Mike Dupont <jamesmikedupont@googlemail.com> wrote:
well this sounds like a good project, to port the api over. What would it take to get an example objective c code running on linux? I would like to try that. Just take public examples. best would be freely licensed ones and compile them, adding in the stubs as you go. mike
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Jack <quiet_celt@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thanks Chris, What I really meant was what is the best development environment on Linux. I'm aware the best environment is on Macs with the official SDK. Deploying, would really just have been a bonus. I have no desire to write iPhone Apps, but my grandson might. He's not in a financial situation to go and buy a Mac or even get a developer license from Apple. I myself am disinclined to obtain said tools for him. A truly cheap Mac, I might be willing to buy. Cheap as in older, used, discarded, PC hardware, cheap. I've known about the Objective-C compiler in GNU for years. I've seen the iphone-dev site, which seems abandoned, and thus was not sure even what level of development is possible in Linux. Was not sure about the VM capabilities either. I have no intentions of clicking through any Apple EULA/NDA. Especially considering the DOJs latest stand on things.
I would allow my underage grandson to do such, except now the DOJ is calling him (and every US minor) a criminal who should be prosecuted, simply due to the fact: they are minors, the CFAA, and Google's TOS.
For those, new to the story, the DOJ says it's a crime to violate the TOS of a website. Google's TOS forbid minors, because they cannot legally enter into a contract. Hence any minor can't legally use Google without becoming a felon per CFAA. I'm pretty sure just about every teen in America has used Google.
http://www.google.com/accounts/TOS "2.3 You may not use the Services and may not accept the Terms if (a) you are not of legal age to form a binding contract with Google, or (b) you are a person barred from receiving the Services under the laws of the United States or other countries including the country in which you are resident or from which you use the Services." Brilliant. Thanks again, Jack
________________________________ From: Christofer C. Bell <christofer.c.bell@gmail.com> To: Jack <quiet_celt@yahoo.com> Cc: Kclug <kclug@kclug.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 5:54 PM Subject: Re: iOS application on Linux
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Jack <quiet_celt@yahoo.com> wrote:
Anyone know if one can write AND deploy iOS applications from Linux?
Not really. If you're programming for iOS, you're writing against the UI that iOS provides. Linux doesn't provide the same user interface. That said, Objective-C is available for both.
Debian (and derivatives): gobjc Fedora (and derivatives): libobjc
Anyone ever used PhoneGap in Linux?
Never heard of it.
Best iPhone/iPad emulator?
The one that comes with the iOS SDK. http://developer.apple.com/devcenter/ios/index.action
Cheap Apple development box?
A Mac mini. http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Thanks, Jack
-- Chris
_______________________________________________ KCLUG mailing list KCLUG@kclug.org http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug
-- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org
-- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org
You might want to take a look at this mobile platform framework list: http://www.markus-falk.com/mobile-frameworks-comparison-chart/ On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 09:02:45PM -0800, Jack wrote:
Thanks Chris,
What I really meant was what is the best development environment on Linux. I'm aware the best environment is on Macs with the official SDK. Deploying, would really just have been a bonus. I have no desire to write iPhone Apps, but my grandson might. He's not in a financial situation to go and buy a Mac or even get a
developer license from Apple. I myself am disinclined to obtain said tools for him. A truly cheap Mac, I might be willing to buy. Cheap as in older, used, discarded, PC hardware, cheap.
I've known about the Objective-C compiler in GNU for years. I've seen the iphone-dev site, which seems abandoned, and thus was not sure even what level of development is possible in Linux.
Was not sure about the VM capabilities either. I have no intentions of clicking through any Apple EULA/NDA. Especially considering the DOJs latest stand on things.
I would allow my underage grandson to do such, except now the DOJ is calling him (and every US minor) a criminal who should be prosecuted,
simply due to the fact: they are minors, the CFAA, and Google's TOS.
For those, new to the story, the DOJ says it's a crime to violate the TOS of a website. Google's TOS forbid minors, because they cannot legally enter into a contract. Hence any minor can't legally use Google without becoming a felon per CFAA. I'm pretty sure just about every teen in America has used Google.
http://www.google.com/accounts/TOS
"2.3 You may not use the Services and may not accept the Terms if (a) you are not of legal age to form a binding contract with Google, or (b) you are a person barred from receiving the Services under the laws of the United States or other countries including the country in which you are resident or from which you use the Services."
Brilliant.
Thanks again, Jack
________________________________ From: Christofer C. Bell <christofer.c.bell@gmail.com> To: Jack <quiet_celt@yahoo.com> Cc: Kclug <kclug@kclug.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 5:54 PM Subject: Re: iOS application on Linux
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Jack <quiet_celt@yahoo.com> wrote:
Anyone know if one can write AND deploy iOS applications from Linux?
Not really. If you're programming for iOS, you're writing against the UI that iOS provides. Linux doesn't provide the same user interface. That said, Objective-C is available for both.
Debian (and derivatives): gobjc Fedora (and derivatives): libobjc
Anyone ever used PhoneGap in Linux?
Never heard of it.
Best iPhone/iPad emulator?
The one that comes with the iOS SDK. http://developer.apple.com/devcenter/ios/index.action
Cheap Apple development box?
A Mac mini. http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Thanks, Jack
-- Chris
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here is what I found so far: http://code.google.com/p/cocotron/ The Cocotron is a cross-platform implementation of Objective-C API's similar to Foundation and AppKit On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Christofer C. Bell <christofer.c.bell@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Jack <quiet_celt@yahoo.com> wrote:
Anyone know if one can write AND deploy iOS applications from Linux?
Not really. If you're programming for iOS, you're writing against the UI that iOS provides. Linux doesn't provide the same user interface. That said, Objective-C is available for both.
Debian (and derivatives): gobjc Fedora (and derivatives): libobjc
Anyone ever used PhoneGap in Linux?
Never heard of it.
Best iPhone/iPad emulator?
The one that comes with the iOS SDK. http://developer.apple.com/devcenter/ios/index.action
Cheap Apple development box?
A Mac mini. http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Thanks, Jack
-- Chris _______________________________________________ KCLUG mailing list KCLUG@kclug.org http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug
-- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org
According to my local Mac Guru, he agrees that the Mac Mini is the cheapest way to get into iOS development (~$600). The iOS SDK is free. You would also need to pay for a dev acct to be able to submit completed programs to the App Store ($100). This is needed even if you build an app and release it for free. Brian Kelsay -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of Christofer C. Bell Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 5:54 PM Subject: Re: iOS application on Linux On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Jack wrote:
Anyone know if one can write AND deploy iOS applications from Linux?
Not really. If you're programming for iOS, you're writing against the UI that iOS provides. Linux doesn't provide the same user interface. That said, Objective-C is available for both. Debian (and derivatives): gobjc Fedora (and derivatives): libobjc
Anyone ever used PhoneGap in Linux?
Never heard of it.
Best iPhone/iPad emulator?
The one that comes with the iOS SDK. http://developer.apple.com/devcenter/ios/index.action
Cheap Apple development box?
A Mac mini. http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Thanks, Jack
-- Chris
If you have a PC and patience, you could try to put MacOS on a PC. Of course if you are one of those folks who actually reads the EULA then this isn't likely an option; www.osx86project.org On Nov 16, 2011, at 7:46 AM, Kelsay, Brian - OCIO-ITS, Kansas City, MO wrote:
According to my local Mac Guru, he agrees that the Mac Mini is the cheapest way to get into iOS development (~$600). The iOS SDK is free. You would also need to pay for a dev acct to be able to submit completed programs to the App Store ($100). This is needed even if you build an app and release it for free.
Brian Kelsay
-----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of Christofer C. Bell Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 5:54 PM Subject: Re: iOS application on Linux
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Jack wrote:
Anyone know if one can write AND deploy iOS applications from Linux?
Not really. If you're programming for iOS, you're writing against the UI that iOS provides. Linux doesn't provide the same user interface. That said, Objective-C is available for both.
Debian (and derivatives): gobjc Fedora (and derivatives): libobjc
Anyone ever used PhoneGap in Linux?
Never heard of it.
Best iPhone/iPad emulator?
The one that comes with the iOS SDK. http://developer.apple.com/devcenter/ios/index.action
Cheap Apple development box?
A Mac mini. http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Thanks, Jack
-- Chris
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