Some of the list participants favor unfettered anarchy for the hell of it. Or Ethics? Other participants appear to be advocating "Robert's Rules of order" be applied. I propose accommodation of both worldviews. In a fashion that has worked for other forums. By having one list posting out as unfiltered and another as filtered/moderated. With archives of both incarnations kept on the site server for posterity. Life goes on unchanged for the existing list. Whoever we "agree " on execiting the proposal as final list comment "vote" determines would then ADD a setting to list preferences menus. One allowing the not yet defined "filtered/moderated" list output as an option. Here is the defining intent of this least restrictive alternative. To accomodate the divergent views of our participants in a fashion fair to all. In blunt english folks- If you want an anarchistic anything goes forum -do NOT let the Ordnuing! shrieks silence free speech. If you are a purist -demanding your Linux list be uncontaminated by non-topical posts? Step up to the plate and show your skills! create an instrumentality of code and human participation giving the purist audience such a feed. So our new horizon gives a choice between Anarchy or Whatever consensus decrees. It's not a perfect for all elements fix- but it makes a hell of a lot more sense than anything said so far. The listserve UberGurus amongst us might even have a trivial way to do parts of this. -- Oren Beck 816.729.3645