ITEC Planning [Was: Free Fedora CDs]
Better nail down what you want to do. The ITEC thing is next week. Do we know who is going to be manning the booth? What will be handed out? What needs to be burned, (preferably need to know before the weekend so it can be burned and handed off to someone that will be at ITEC if necessary)? What hardware wil be there? What hardware do we need? Hardware includes PCs, powerstrips, UPS, table, etc. Does everyone have tickets that needs them? Badges? Setup people? Time and day for setup? I think some of this was still coming together the week of, last year. ******************************************* If the automobile had followed the same development cycle as the computer, a Rolls-Royce would today cost $100, get a million miles per gallon, and explode once a year, killing everyone inside. - Robert X. Cringely -----Original Message----- From: kclug-bounces@kclug.org [mailto:kclug-bounces@kclug.org] On Behalf Of Leo Mauler Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 11:08 AM To: kclug@kclug.org Subject: Re: Free Fedora CDs There is the small matter of giveaway CDs from other companies not having the KCLUG logo or website on them. Perhaps a lot of jewel cases, printed with KCLUG info, for the giveaway CDs? --- Jon Pruente <jdpruente@gmail.com> wrote:
I just found out about pogolinux and their free Fedora giveaway for LUGs: http://www.pogolinux.com/systems/linuxcd.html Someone lese has already seen this, right? Free CDs from Canonical and free CDs from pogo means a whole lot less time buring copies for giveaways.
Jon.
Isn't it in two weeks, on the 26th & 27th? --- "Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO" <brian.kelsay@kcc.usda.gov> wrote:
Better nail down what you want to do. The ITEC thing is next week.
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On Thursday 06 October 2005 11:17 am, Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO wrote:
Better nail down what you want to do. The ITEC thing is next week. Do we know who is going to be manning the booth? What will be handed out? What needs to be burned, (preferably need to know before the weekend so it can be burned and handed off to someone that will be at ITEC if necessary)? What hardware wil be there? What hardware do we need? Hardware includes PCs, powerstrips, UPS, table, etc.
I won't be there because of other responsibilities but I'm willing to burn a few dozen discs. I think that we, as a LUG, need to decide which disc set that is going to be handed out because our audience might be frightened by being offered three different distro's to choose from; and we burn through our limited CD resources 3 times faster if we give all three to them. Also, I think we would be more effective if we only hand out Live CD's. In this day and age, broadband is dime a dozen; if they are hooked by the Live CD, they will go spend the 10 minutes to download the ISO. As far as I'm concerned, the best option for a new user is an Ubuntu Linux Live CD -- Ubuntu was recently voted best distro in a LinuxWorld magazine poll. I feel that the Kubuntu Live CD variant is more polished than it's Gnome counterpart and representative of the best the Linux desktop has to offer but I'm willing to be argued down on that. In any event, we need to decide fast. And take a vote or something and do it. -- I use digital signatures and encryption. My key is stored at pgp.mit.edu key ID code: "0x8DB3BF09". F: F628 D9D3 E57A C281 5EFE 7DF7 B52A A393 8DB3 BF09
On Thursday 06 October 2005 07:31 pm, Jason Clinton wrote:
As far as I'm concerned, the best option for a new user is an Ubuntu Linux Live CD -- Ubuntu was recently voted best distro in a LinuxWorld magazine poll. I feel that the Kubuntu Live CD variant is more polished than it's Gnome counterpart and representative of the best the Linux desktop has to offer but I'm willing to be argued down on that.
Oh yea, and I am willing to make some mods to the image so that the desktop has our logo on it and the web browser's default page is the KCLUG web site. -- I use digital signatures and encryption. My key is stored at pgp.mit.edu key ID code: "0x8DB3BF09". F: F628 D9D3 E57A C281 5EFE 7DF7 B52A A393 8DB3 BF09
--- Jason Clinton wrote:
On Thursday 06 October 2005 07:31 pm, Jason Clinton wrote:
As far as I'm concerned, the best option for a new user is an Ubuntu Linux Live CD -- Ubuntu was recently voted best distro in a LinuxWorld magazine poll. I feel that the Kubuntu Live CD variant is more polished than it's Gnome counterpart and representative of the best the Linux desktop has to offer but I'm willing to be argued down on that.
Oh yea, and I am willing to make some mods to the image so that the desktop has our logo on it and the web browser's default page is the KCLUG web site.
I can man the booth for a while, and can burn some disks, print up some info sheets. Just let me know if and what to burn/print, or when to man a booth. I assume it wouldn't be too late to get a badge. I could even bring a low end desktop (1.3GHz Athlon, with DVD burner, cardreader KDE, 512MB RAM).
--- Jack <quiet_celt@yahoo.com> wrote:
I could even bring a low end desktop (1.3GHz Athlon, with DVD burner,
There's a thought: Live CDs burned while U wait. Don't like what we're handing out? Try this other Live CD we just burnt for you. :) __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
On Thu, 2005-10-06 at 19:31 -0500, Jason Clinton wrote:
In any event, we need to decide fast. And take a vote or something and do it.
Last year we gave away several different distro's and it seemed work very well. Some people knew what they wanted and asked if we had it, others we just gave what sounded to be best for their needs.
On Friday 07 October 2005 10:30 am, Bill Cavalieri wrote:
Last year we gave away several different distro's and it seemed work very well. Some people knew what they wanted and asked if we had it, others we just gave what sounded to be best for their needs.
Two years ago, we ran out on the first day and I spent the rest of the show sitting at my computer burning new ISO's telling people to come back in 15 minutes for their copy. That was the basis for the decision to not hand out installer CD's last year. This was also the year that everything close down early because no one came to the show... and we still ran out. And last year the CD's didn't arrive until the first day was almost over [1]. And they were Live CD's, 75% of which were Knoppix -- the other 25% were SuSE 9.1. And we were about 200 CD's short [2]. If by 'several', you mean 'mostly Knoppix' then yea. [1] http://www.kclug.org/pipermail/kclug/2004-October/026193.html [2] http://www.kclug.org/pipermail/kclug/2004-October/026105.html -- I use digital signatures and encryption. My key is stored at pgp.mit.edu key ID code: "0x8DB3BF09". F: F628 D9D3 E57A C281 5EFE 7DF7 B52A A393 8DB3 BF09
if we're running out of free things we need to raise the price. "Normally these are free, but as an ITEC special you can pay us five dollars." it would even be funny. We could donate the proceeds to linux international and the EFF. On 10/7/05, Jason Clinton <me@jasonclinton.com> wrote:
On Friday 07 October 2005 10:30 am, Bill Cavalieri wrote:
Last year we gave away several different distro's and it seemed work very well. Some people knew what they wanted and asked if we had it, others we just gave what sounded to be best for their needs.
Two years ago, we ran out on the first day and I spent the rest of the show sitting at my computer burning new ISO's telling people to come back in 15 minutes for their copy. That was the basis for the decision to not hand out installer CD's last year. This was also the year that everything close down early because no one came to the show... and we still ran out.
And last year the CD's didn't arrive until the first day was almost over [1]. And they were Live CD's, 75% of which were Knoppix -- the other 25% were SuSE 9.1. And we were about 200 CD's short [2]. If by 'several', you mean 'mostly Knoppix' then yea.
[1] http://www.kclug.org/pipermail/kclug/2004-October/026193.html [2] http://www.kclug.org/pipermail/kclug/2004-October/026105.html
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--- David Nicol wrote:
if we're running out of free things we need to raise the price ... it would even be funny. We could donate the proceeds to linux international and the EFF. I doubt that will work.
On 10/7/05, Jason Clinton wrote:
On Friday 07 October 2005 10:30 am, Bill Cavalieri wrote:
Last year we gave away several different distro's and it seemed work very well. Some people knew what they wanted and asked if we had it, others we just gave what sounded to be best for their needs.
Two years ago, we ran out on the first day and I spent the rest of the show sitting at my computer burning new ISO's ...
And last year the CD's didn't arrive until the first day was almost over ... 75% of which were Knoppix -- the other 25% were SuSE 9.1. And we were about 200 CD's short.
I can burn 250 CDs or DVDs and have them at the show on the first day before the show begins. Someone choose a distor for me to bring. If no one chooses, I will burn 50 Mandriva, 100 Ubuntu, and 50 Fedora, 50 SuSE. They should all be user friendly enough. Unless someone tells me not to burn any.
On Friday 07 October 2005 01:25 pm, Jack wrote:
50 Mandriva, 100 Ubuntu, and 50 Fedora, 50 SuSE. They should all be user friendly enough. Unless someone tells me not to burn any.
Well if you're going to burn different ones anyway, just make sure they are Live CD's. The SuSE installer is 4 discs, for instance. -- I use digital signatures and encryption. My key is stored at pgp.mit.edu key ID code: "0x8DB3BF09". F: F628 D9D3 E57A C281 5EFE 7DF7 B52A A393 8DB3 BF09
--- Jason Clinton wrote:
On Friday 07 October 2005 01:25 pm, Jack wrote:
50 Mandriva, 100 Ubuntu, and 50 Fedora, 50 SuSE. They should all be user friendly enough. Unless someone tells me not to burn any.
Well if you're going to burn different ones anyway, just make sure they are Live CD's. The SuSE installer is 4 discs, for instance.
Well, I'll burn whatever anyone thinks is a good idea. Since I haven't heard from anyone one what will be at the booth, I figured we should have something. Not much reason in having a booth if we don't have any distros to hand out. I know we'll wind up with something. But it's better to have some idea before hand and it's better that we don't have to have whoever is manning the booth to have to burn CDs the whole time. I figured if I burnt a variety at least they could be demo'ed. I could burn some installer DVDs, too. Undoubtedly if I burn more than 1 distro we'll eventually run out of at least one of the distros, but that's the nature of the beast. I think it would probably be easy enough to make some usable installer cds also, but like you said it'd take more than 1 disc per. I think It would be safe to say that most distros will do a decent install with only the discs 1 and 2. But I'd have to verify that. Hence it would be better to give live CDs or DVDs. I'm downloading Kubuntu now. I prefer the KDE desktop to Gnome, but haven't tried Gnome in a while. Any discussion? Also the Kubuntu uses a single install CD. I have both the install and the live versions. I'll try them out, here and play with some of the others. Do we know who is going to be manning the booth and when? Is there a sign up sheet or something? Normally I don't miond the chaos that is KCLUG, but it's a bit self-defeating at times like this. Oh well. Brian JD
On 10/7/05, Jack <quiet_celt@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- David Nicol wrote:
if we're running out of free things we need to raise the price ... it would even be funny. We could donate the proceeds to linux international and the EFF. I doubt that will work.
what part of it won't work? My claim is, we can prevent running out by charging for them. That won't work? Or are you saying that charging, at a trade show, for something that is generally offered for free, being the obverse of giving away, at a trade show, things that are generally sold, will not provoke ironic smiles? -- David L Nicol "You aren't being graded on how many you respond to." -- joe
--- David Nicol wrote:
On 10/7/05, Jack <quiet_celt@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- David Nicol wrote:
if we're running out of free things we need to raise the price ... it would even be funny. We could donate the proceeds to linux international and the EFF. I doubt that will work.
what part of it won't work? My claim is, we can prevent running out by charging for them. That won't work? Or are you saying that charging, at a trade show, for something that is generally offered for free, being the obverse of giving away, at a trade show, things that are generally sold, will not provoke ironic smiles? Ah, missed your intentions. Yeah, that'd probably work, we probably wouldn't run out of CDs if we charged for them. Although it might be interesting to see what we might take in if we accepted donations for CDs and DVDs given out.
On Friday 07 October 2005 03:19 pm, Jack wrote:
Ah, missed your intentions. Yeah, that'd probably work, we probably wouldn't run out of CDs if we charged for them. Although it might be interesting to see what we might take in if we accepted donations for CDs and DVDs given out.
That would probably be okay as long as you indicated that we are not a legal entity and the donation isn't tax deductible. -- I use digital signatures and encryption. My key is stored at pgp.mit.edu key ID code: "0x8DB3BF09". F: F628 D9D3 E57A C281 5EFE 7DF7 B52A A393 8DB3 BF09
--- Jack <quiet_celt@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- David Nicol wrote:
if we're running out of free things we need to raise the price ... it would even be funny. We could donate the proceeds to linux international and the EFF.
I doubt that will work.
Then burn some KNOPPIX DVD editions and sell those for $1-$5 a pop (cost of media and burning). Of course we still hand out the CD editions for free, but it would be interesting to see if people would fork out cash to avoid a 3.5GB download. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
On Friday 07 October 2005 02:46 pm, Leo Mauler wrote:
Then burn some KNOPPIX DVD editions and sell those for $1-$5 a pop (cost of media and burning).
Of course we still hand out the CD editions for free, but it would be interesting to see if people would fork out cash to avoid a 3.5GB download.
Lets not burn our 'good-will' with ITEC by using their generous donation for which /might/ be interpreted as profiteering. -- I use digital signatures and encryption. My key is stored at pgp.mit.edu key ID code: "0x8DB3BF09". F: F628 D9D3 E57A C281 5EFE 7DF7 B52A A393 8DB3 BF09
--- Jason Clinton <me@jasonclinton.com> wrote:
On Friday 07 October 2005 02:46 pm, Leo Mauler wrote:
Then burn some KNOPPIX DVD editions and sell those for $1-$5 a pop (cost of media and burning).
Of course we still hand out the CD editions for free, but it would be interesting to see if people would fork out cash to avoid a 3.5GB download.
Lets not burn our 'good-will' with ITEC by using their generous donation for which /might/ be interpreted as profiteering.
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