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On Friday, November 26, 2021, 12:00:05 PM CST, kclug-request@kclug.org <kclug-request@kclug.org> wrote:
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<div><div dir="ltr">Send KCLUG mailing list submissions to<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <a href="mailto:kclug@kclug.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">kclug@kclug.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <a href="http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <a href="mailto:kclug-request@kclug.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">kclug-request@kclug.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">You can reach the person managing the list at<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <a href="mailto:kclug-owner@kclug.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">kclug-owner@kclug.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br></div><div dir="ltr">than "Re: Contents of KCLUG digest..."<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Today's Topics:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> 1. Meetings (Jonathan Hutchins)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 2. Press enter, check facts (Jonathan Hutchins)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 3. Re: Meetings (Jonathan Hale)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 4. Re: Meetings (Jonathan Hutchins)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 5. Re: Meetings (Christofer C. Bell)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 6. Re: Meetings (Nick Anderson)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">----------------------------------------------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 1<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 14:09:56 -0600<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: Jonathan Hutchins <<a href="mailto:hutchins@tarcanfel.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">hutchins@tarcanfel.org</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: <a href="mailto:kclug@kclug.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">kclug@kclug.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Meetings<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:b6d7f4be5ff9c1a826ca6b6580358616@tarcanfel.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">b6d7f4be5ff9c1a826ca6b6580358616@tarcanfel.org</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Anybody attending the meetings these days? Anyone interested in <br></div><div dir="ltr">updating the calendar?<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">-- <br></div><div dir="ltr">Jonathan<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 2<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 14:11:19 -0600<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: Jonathan Hutchins <<a href="mailto:hutchins@tarcanfel.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">hutchins@tarcanfel.org</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: <a href="mailto:kclug@kclug.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">kclug@kclug.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Press enter, check facts<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:32d784492aeb1a54d58674d132bfefe5@tarcanfel.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">32d784492aeb1a54d58674d132bfefe5@tarcanfel.org</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">The calendar is fine.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">-- <br></div><div dir="ltr">Jonathan<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 3<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 20:21:30 +0000<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: Jonathan Hale <<a href="mailto:maclaoch@earthlink.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">maclaoch@earthlink.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: Jonathan Hutchins <<a href="mailto:hutchins@tarcanfel.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">hutchins@tarcanfel.org</a>>, <a href="mailto:kclug@kclug.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">kclug@kclug.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: Meetings<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:a7461d57-b6fa-8a39-d75c-73f4ac68fd8b@earthlink.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">a7461d57-b6fa-8a39-d75c-73f4ac68fd8b@earthlink.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">honestly didn't even know if there's still kclug and kulua meetings anymore.. esp since covid blew up (tho, honestly.. i haven't even been to any meetings since early 2000's when i was more into linux and trying to get a unix admin position.. back in the days when hr ppl and recruiters didn't know or realize or understand that any *nix / posix skills are basically the same across every flavor.. and before i got on with sprint doing firewall work..)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr">-----Original Message-----<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: Jonathan Hutchins <br></div><div dir="ltr">Sent: Nov 25, 2021 2:09 PM<br></div><div dir="ltr">To: <br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Meetings<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr">Anybody attending the meetings these days? Anyone interested in updating the calendar?<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr">--<br></div><div dir="ltr">Jonathan<br></div><div dir="ltr">_______________________________________________<br></div><div dir="ltr">KCLUG mailing list<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="mailto:KCLUG@kclug.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">KCLUG@kclug.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 4<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 15:04:34 -0600<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: Jonathan Hutchins <<a href="mailto:hutchins@tarcanfel.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">hutchins@tarcanfel.org</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: Jonathan Hale <<a href="mailto:maclaoch@earthlink.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">maclaoch@earthlink.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Cc: <a href="mailto:kclug@kclug.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">kclug@kclug.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: Meetings<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:9c982732702c4e34baf90f46c677ce44@tarcanfel.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">9c982732702c4e34baf90f46c677ce44@tarcanfel.org</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">On 2021-11-25 14:21, Jonathan Hale wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr">> honestly didn't even know if there's still kclug and kulua meetings<br></div><div dir="ltr">> anymore.. esp since covid blew up (tho, honestly.. i haven't even been<br></div><div dir="ltr">> to any meetings since early 2000's when i was more into linux and<br></div><div dir="ltr">> trying to get a unix admin position.. back in the days when hr ppl and<br></div><div dir="ltr">> recruiters didn't know or realize or understand that any *nix / posix<br></div><div dir="ltr">> skills are basically the same across every flavor.. and before i got<br></div><div dir="ltr">> on with sprint doing firewall work..)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I've attended one meeting in what must have been almost thirty years <br></div><div dir="ltr">now. I did show up at a trade show we did once.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I was always content to participate via the mailing list, but a few <br></div><div dir="ltr">years back we had a troll problem, and those who were still active moved <br></div><div dir="ltr">over to IRC.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Who knows though, nobody ever cleaned up the distribution list, and <br></div><div dir="ltr">people who haven't changed addresses will still get this.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">-- <br></div><div dir="ltr">Jonathan<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 5<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 19:04:59 -0600<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: "Christofer C. Bell" <<a href="mailto:christofer.c.bell@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">christofer.c.bell@gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: Jonathan Hutchins <<a href="mailto:hutchins@tarcanfel.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">hutchins@tarcanfel.org</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Cc: Jonathan Hale <<a href="mailto:maclaoch@earthlink.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">maclaoch@earthlink.net</a>>, Kclug <<a href="mailto:kclug@kclug.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">kclug@kclug.org</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: Meetings<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID:<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <<a href="mailto:CAOEVnYvkM6Pjwf9ms8gndG7Fajbjs8hHTv73jfTJbeDdtc7R4g@mail.gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">CAOEVnYvkM6Pjwf9ms8gndG7Fajbjs8hHTv73jfTJbeDdtc7R4g@mail.gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I'm still here (and on irc...)!<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 3:05 PM Jonathan Hutchins <<a href="mailto:hutchins@tarcanfel.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">hutchins@tarcanfel.org</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">> On 2021-11-25 14:21, Jonathan Hale wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr">> > honestly didn't even know if there's still kclug and kulua meetings<br></div><div dir="ltr">> > anymore.. esp since covid blew up (tho, honestly.. i haven't even been<br></div><div dir="ltr">> > to any meetings since early 2000's when i was more into linux and<br></div><div dir="ltr">> > trying to get a unix admin position.. back in the days when hr ppl and<br></div><div dir="ltr">> > recruiters didn't know or realize or understand that any *nix / posix<br></div><div dir="ltr">> > skills are basically the same across every flavor.. and before i got<br></div><div dir="ltr">> > on with sprint doing firewall work..)<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> I've attended one meeting in what must have been almost thirty years<br></div><div dir="ltr">> now. I did show up at a trade show we did once.<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> I was always content to participate via the mailing list, but a few<br></div><div dir="ltr">> years back we had a troll problem, and those who were still active moved<br></div><div dir="ltr">> over to IRC.<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Who knows though, nobody ever cleaned up the distribution list, and<br></div><div dir="ltr">> people who haven't changed addresses will still get this.<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> --<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Jonathan<br></div><div dir="ltr">> _______________________________________________<br></div><div dir="ltr">> KCLUG mailing list<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <a href="mailto:KCLUG@kclug.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">KCLUG@kclug.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">> <a href="http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">-- <br></div><div dir="ltr">Chris<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">"If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the<br></div><div dir="ltr">Universe." -- Carl Sagan<br></div><div dir="ltr">-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir="ltr">URL: <<a href="http://kclug.org/pipermail/kclug/attachments/20211125/c82ddfbb/attachment-0001.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://kclug.org/pipermail/kclug/attachments/20211125/c82ddfbb/attachment-0001.html</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 6<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 19:18:33 -0600<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: Nick Anderson <<a href="mailto:nick@cmdln.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">nick@cmdln.org</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: "Christofer C. Bell" <<a href="mailto:christofer.c.bell@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">christofer.c.bell@gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Cc: Jonathan Hutchins <<a href="mailto:hutchins@tarcanfel.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">hutchins@tarcanfel.org</a>>, Kclug<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <<a href="mailto:kclug@kclug.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">kclug@kclug.org</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: Meetings<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID:<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <<a href="mailto:CADTN-8wqncnDsfceAEC30MNKaE1m0yKmDuGNXvHLgPBcNhzX0w@mail.gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">CADTN-8wqncnDsfceAEC30MNKaE1m0yKmDuGNXvHLgPBcNhzX0w@mail.gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">O/<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Nov 25, 2021, 7:05 PM Christofer C. Bell <<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="mailto:christofer.c.bell@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">christofer.c.bell@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">> I'm still here (and on irc...)!<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 3:05 PM Jonathan Hutchins <<a href="mailto:hutchins@tarcanfel.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">hutchins@tarcanfel.org</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">>> On 2021-11-25 14:21, Jonathan Hale wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr">>> > honestly didn't even know if there's still kclug and kulua meetings<br></div><div dir="ltr">>> > anymore.. esp since covid blew up (tho, honestly.. i haven't even been<br></div><div dir="ltr">>> > to any meetings since early 2000's when i was more into linux and<br></div><div dir="ltr">>> > trying to get a unix admin position.. back in the days when hr ppl and<br></div><div dir="ltr">>> > recruiters didn't know or realize or understand that any *nix / posix<br></div><div dir="ltr">>> > skills are basically the same across every flavor.. and before i got<br></div><div dir="ltr">>> > on with sprint doing firewall work..)<br></div><div dir="ltr">>><br></div><div dir="ltr">>> I've attended one meeting in what must have been almost thirty years<br></div><div dir="ltr">>> now. I did show up at a trade show we did once.<br></div><div dir="ltr">>><br></div><div dir="ltr">>> I was always content to participate via the mailing list, but a few<br></div><div dir="ltr">>> years back we had a troll problem, and those who were still active moved<br></div><div dir="ltr">>> over to IRC.<br></div><div dir="ltr">>><br></div><div dir="ltr">>> Who knows though, nobody ever cleaned up the distribution list, and<br></div><div dir="ltr">>> people who haven't changed addresses will still get this.<br></div><div dir="ltr">>><br></div><div dir="ltr">>><br></div><div dir="ltr">>> --<br></div><div dir="ltr">>> Jonathan<br></div><div dir="ltr">>> _______________________________________________<br></div><div dir="ltr">>> KCLUG mailing list<br></div><div dir="ltr">>> <a href="mailto:KCLUG@kclug.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">KCLUG@kclug.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">>> <a href="http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> --<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Chris<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> "If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Universe." -- Carl Sagan<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> _______________________________________________<br></div><div dir="ltr">> KCLUG mailing list<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <a href="mailto:KCLUG@kclug.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">KCLUG@kclug.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">> <a href="http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir="ltr">URL: <<a href="http://kclug.org/pipermail/kclug/attachments/20211125/5eac9aab/attachment-0001.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://kclug.org/pipermail/kclug/attachments/20211125/5eac9aab/attachment-0001.html</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Digest Footer<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">_______________________________________________<br></div><div dir="ltr">KCLUG mailing list<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="mailto:KCLUG@kclug.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">KCLUG@kclug.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">End of KCLUG Digest, Vol 125, Issue 1<br></div><div dir="ltr">*************************************<br></div></div>
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