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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I was shocked when I found out about the existence of Redhat in our domain. We had switched from an all Novell NDS and server domain to a Microsoft Active
Directory and servers not long after I got here. Desktops went from NT 4 to XP after that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Then it took a couple of years from the conversion to XP that I heard our DNS was on Redhat and then some programming tools started to appear that were FOSS.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Winmerge (does a diff on files); Tortoise, Subversion Cmd Line client, Subversive and AnkhSVN (all SVN repository clients); Putty and WinSCP (SSH clients);
Wireshark and Nessus (network sniffing); went from Websphere to Rational to Eclipse (Java programming IDE); Tomcat App Server on Redhat; and a bunch of other stuff that I’m probably forgetting right now.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m excited that they were willing to at least look at FOSS alternatives and save the taxpayers some money.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Brian Kelsay</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><br>
Sr. IT Specialist/Systems Analyst<br>
Anadarko Industries, LLC, working for:<br>
USDA/OCIO/ITS/TSD<br>
Kansas City Large Office<br>
Phone: 816-926-6897<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Fax: 816-448-5605<br>
Email: <a href="mailto:brian.kelsay@kcc.usda.gov">brian.kelsay@kcc.usda.gov</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> kclug-bounces@kclug.org [mailto:kclug-bounces@kclug.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Haworth, Michael A.<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 03, 2011 11:13 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jim Herrmann; kclug@kclug.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: most commonly used Linux version?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">ROFL! That answer sums up the fight that I am in the middle of right now – sometimes it’s the admins that need a three day class to learn how to run M$-Word…
Microsoft (in my situation) wins because of the automagic “it just Works!” that they have propagated over the years. This is a company of around 500 users and getting any FOSS in the door is like pushing an 18-wheeler uphill. GIMP barely made it into the image
– it’s free so it can’t be trusted – I am only making progress with Redhat and SuSe because they offer (require) paid support models (so does Ubuntu/Canonical, but I DO NOT like Unity) – that means that they are good and wholesome, not some fly-by-night outfit…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Sometimes I think that the mindset has been formed by corporate drones that ‘if we can’t pay for it (and pay
<b>A LOT</b>!), then it’s not good enough for us.’<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I would love to share with the LUG the hoops that I had to go through to get a simple NTP server running on CentOS into the company – we were seriously going
to drop $2k+ on a program that would synchronize 1 windows computer to the root NIST servers and then auto-configure the Group Policy so that all other computers would sync to the single server… $2k for something that any Linux distro does FOR FREE! I pissed
off several people when I went ahead and set it up on a desktop and did the configuring myself and then just told everyone that it had been done. It’s still running, but the main proponent of purchasing the other software package will occasionally spit out
that it ‘is not as accurate as the Windows program would have been’.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If my Linux-Fu ever gets strong enough, I will start applying for some of the sysadmin jobs that I see from time to time.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Michael Haworth<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Enterprise Systems Support Manager | PAS Technologies Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">1222 Atlantic | North Kansas City, Missouri 64116<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">T: 816-556-5157 | C:(816) 585-1033 | F: (816) 556-4692 | Michael_Haworth@pas-technologies.com<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Century","serif";color:#1F497D">Visit our website at
<a href="http://www.pas-technologies.com">www.pas-technologies.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> kclug-bounces@kclug.org [mailto:kclug-bounces@kclug.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Herrmann<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 03, 2011 7:02 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> kclug@kclug.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: most commonly used Linux version?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Joe,<br>
Since you were asking about desktop Linux, and the system administrators on the list veered off into server land, let me bring this conversation back to your original question. You said you wanted to install a desktop and wanted the most commonly used Linux
version. If you look at the vendors that are selling retail desktops, to consumers, they are using Ubuntu. If you are looking for the more common business desktop, then use Windows, because businesses don't install Linux on their desktops, well damn few
anyway. Only smaller, smarter companies, do that. The big boys are all stuck with Windows XP because it's too damn hard to change out 10,000 desktops of people who need a three day class just to learn how to run M$-Word. I'm sure that some companies, more
in Europe no doubt, are switching to Red Hat and SuSE desktops, but if you want the most commonly used *consumer* desktop, download Ubuntu here:
<a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/">http://www.ubuntu.com/</a><br>
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I hope that actually answers your question and tip toes around the holy war that still rages within the Linux community. ;-)<br>
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HTH,<br>
Jim<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Joe Cho <<a href="mailto:ksjoecho@gmail.com">ksjoecho@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would like to install a Linux to my desktop.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Could you advise a most commonly used Linux version?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">for example: Redhat, Debian, etc.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">and where can I download?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks in advance.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">-Joe<br clear="all">
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Joe Cho<br>
<a href="mailto:ksjoecho@gmail.com" target="_blank">ksjoecho@gmail.com</a><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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