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color:#1F497D'>I agree with you. However, when the procedure to become legal
becomes so cumbersome that a person’s family may starve or otherwise not
survive, then it becomes a necessity to them. At the same time there are jobs
here that due to the type of work it is and the pay scale nobody is willing to
take except the people who are desperate enough to put their lives at risk to
come here and work them. The combination of these two elements mean one of two
things will happen. Either we will have a continuing influx of illegal aliens
doing the work that nobody else wants to do or the jobs that nobody else wants
to do will be moved overseas and everyone will be mad about jobs moving
overseas. At least of the illegal aliens are here in the US working they will
be paying taxes just like we do. If the jobs go overseas we will not have that
tax revenue and all of our taxes will go up.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Phil<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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kclug-bounces@kclug.org [mailto:kclug-bounces@kclug.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kelsay,
Brian - Kansas City, MO<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> kclug@kclug.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Reply from Congressman Emanuel Cleaver concerning
OrphanWorksActof 2008<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Not to be political, but the key part of the phrase is
"illegal". If a person is not in a country legally, then
they should have a different set of expectations about how the society they've
invaded will react to them. An illegal alien from any country cannot
expect to receive the same benefits as a legal immigrant or a natural
citizen. Por exemplo, I cannot go to Mexico for anything longer
than a brief visit, although a visa may not be required. And the US
requires some proof of citizenship upon reentry. I can drive to
Canada and visit briefly, but cannot work there without a work
visa. If I want medical care while I'm there, I believe it is emergency
treatment only and I'd have to return to the states to get my insurance to
cover procedures.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Follow the laws and its not such a bog deal.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Someday, we may be able to come and go between all countries and
live and work where we please, crossing borders pell-mell, but for now there
are many reasons for the laws in place in each country governing the comings
and goings of people.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Brian Kelsay</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> kclug-bounces@kclug.org
[mailto:kclug-bounces@kclug.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Phil Thayer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> watts@jayhawks.net; James Sissel<br>
<b>Cc:</b> kclug@kclug.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Reply from Congressman Emanuel Cleaver concerning Orphan
WorksActof 2008</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Really? The Mexicans wrote GNOME? I didn’t
know that. The comment about support for illegal aliens might be
construed as racist but, I think it is just paranoia about losing a low paying
job that nobody else in the US wants to do anyways.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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kclug-bounces@kclug.org [mailto:kclug-bounces@kclug.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeffrey
Watts<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 12, 2008 1:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> James Sissel<br>
<b>Cc:</b> kclug@kclug.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Reply from Congressman Emanuel Cleaver concerning Orphan
WorksAct of 2008<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Espero que no usas GNOME, que
fue escrito por los mexicanos, después de todo!<br>
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Espero que algún día la gente pueda superar su racismo hacia hispanos.<br>
<br>
Jeffrey.<br>
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P.S. By the way, this is a Linux list. Just in case you've
forgotten. Good luck in November.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 11:05 AM, James Sissel <<a
href="mailto:jimsissel@yahoo.com">jimsissel@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I've
emailed our esteemed Representative several times about various issues.
His support for illegal aliens, high gas prices and the Socialist (oops,
Democrats) refusal to do anything, grand theft in the form of taxes that he
supports and wants to increase, etc. In my humble opinion he needs to be
replaced during the next election. The man was a horrible Mayor and an
even worse Congressman. His goal is a Socialist government that will
control every aspect of our lives (and he's running it, of course). Not
exactly "open source" philosophy.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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