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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Well, I am sorry to hear that you have been laboring for so long
below minimum wage.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If I live in a nice house and obviously have the means to help
others, and there are people that come to my door for help, if I do not answer
the door then I am being irresponsible. It is not a bad thing to have money
and be wealthy (relative to the countries we are discussing we are very
wealthy), it is another thing to be responsible with that wealth and not use it
for the betterment of others. I don’t understand people who feel so
threatened by people from other countries coming over here to try and make a
better life for their families back in their countries. Personally, I admire
them for having the courage to do what is necessary in life to try and give
their kids a better life. If they make the money here to send their kids to a
better school, then maybe their kids will not be coming here to work but will
be working in their own country. Probably doing the jobs that we will not be
able to do in the future because of the lowering of the educational systems here
in the US.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Phil<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> James Sissel
[mailto:jimsissel@yahoo.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Phil Thayer<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Reply from Congressman Emanuel Cleaver concerning
OrphanWorksActof 2008<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>And have you ever worked one of "those"
jobs? I have for years and your arguments are very hollow. Let them stay
in their own country and make their own contry better. Just because you
live in a shit house doesn't give you the right to break into my nice house and
live there.<br>
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<b><i>Phil Thayer <phil.thayer@vitalsite.com></i></b> wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I agree with you. However, when the procedure to become
legal becomes so cumbersome that a person’s family may starve or
otherwise not survive, then it becomes a necessity to them. At the same
time there are jobs here that due to the type of work it is and the pay scale
nobody is willing to take except the people who are desperate enough to put
their lives at risk to come here and work them. The combination of these
two elements mean one of two things will happen. Either we will have a
continuing influx of illegal aliens doing the work that nobody else wants to do
or the jobs that nobody else wants to do will be moved overseas and everyone
will be mad about jobs moving overseas. At least of the illegal aliens
are here in the US working they will be paying taxes just like we do. If
the jobs go overseas we will not have that tax revenue and all of our taxes
will go up.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Phil<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
kclug-bounces@kclug.org [mailto:kclug-bounces@kclug.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kelsay,
Brian - Kansas City, MO<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> kclug@kclug.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Reply from Congressman Emanuel Cleaver concerning
OrphanWorksActof 2008<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Not to be political, but the key part of the phrase is
"illegal". If a person is not in a country legally, then
they should have a different set of expectations about how the society they've
invaded will react to them. An illegal alien from any country cannot
expect to receive the same benefits as a legal immigrant or a natural
citizen. Por exemplo, I cannot go to Mexico for anything longer
than a brief visit, although a visa may not be required. And the US
requires some proof of citizenship upon reentry. I can drive to
Canada and visit briefly, but cannot work there without a work
visa. If I want medical care while I'm there, I believe it is
emergency treatment only and I'd have to return to the states to get my
insurance to cover procedures.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Follow the laws and its not such a bog deal.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Someday, we may be able to come and go between all countries and
live and work where we please, crossing borders pell-mell, but for now there
are many reasons for the laws in place in each country governing the comings
and goings of people.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Brian Kelsay</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
kclug-bounces@kclug.org [mailto:kclug-bounces@kclug.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Phil
Thayer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> watts@jayhawks.net; James Sissel<br>
<b>Cc:</b> kclug@kclug.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Reply from Congressman Emanuel Cleaver concerning Orphan
WorksActof 2008</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Really? The Mexicans wrote GNOME? I didn’t
know that. The comment about support for illegal aliens might be
construed as racist but, I think it is just paranoia about losing a low paying
job that nobody else in the US wants to do anyways.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
kclug-bounces@kclug.org [mailto:kclug-bounces@kclug.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeffrey
Watts<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 12, 2008 1:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> James Sissel<br>
<b>Cc:</b> kclug@kclug.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Reply from Congressman Emanuel Cleaver concerning Orphan
WorksAct of 2008<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Espero que no usas GNOME, que fue escrito por los mexicanos,
después de todo!<br>
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Espero que algún día la gente pueda superar su racismo hacia hispanos.<br>
<br>
Jeffrey.<br>
<br>
P.S. By the way, this is a Linux list. Just in case you've
forgotten. Good luck in November.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 11:05 AM, James Sissel <<a
href="mailto:jimsissel@yahoo.com">jimsissel@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I've
emailed our esteemed Representative several times about various issues.
His support for illegal aliens, high gas prices and the Socialist (oops,
Democrats) refusal to do anything, grand theft in the form of taxes that he
supports and wants to increase, etc. In my humble opinion he needs to be
replaced during the next election. The man was a horrible Mayor and an
even worse Congressman. His goal is a Socialist government that will
control every aspect of our lives (and he's running it, of course). Not
exactly "open source" philosophy.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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