On 1/10/08, <b class="gmail_sendername">D. Hageman</b> <<a href="mailto:dhageman@dracken.com">dhageman@dracken.com</a>> wrote:<div><span class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Jason D. Clinton wrote:<br>> On 1/10/08, *D. Hageman* <<a href="mailto:dhageman@dracken.com">dhageman@dracken.com</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:dhageman@dracken.com">dhageman@dracken.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>> Xen was merged into the mainstream kernel last July(ish).<br>><br>> Xen as a guest support is mainline but for i386 only (useless on modern<br>> hardware in a datacenter) with 2.6.23 being the first release of this.
<br>> The hypervisor stuff is still thoroughly intrusive and unlikely to go in<br>> any time soon.<br><br>My understanding is the original poster wanted a separate environment to<br>work with KDE4. Do you really think they are a) running in a datacenter
</blockquote><div><br>I'm making the point that 2.6.23's token Xen guest support is useless and that Xen--in general--is still considered somewhat unstable making it an unattractive choice *even* in the datacenter where Xen has the biggest use-case. If you need binary-only drivers for NVidia graphics and wireless devices, like on a desktop/lappy, it's even *more* unattractive.
<br><br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">or b) running something other then x86 hardware?</blockquote><div><br>Who are you going to buy a CPU from in the last year that isn't x86_64? And what person who uses Xen in a datacenter (my point of reference for the ideal Xen user) environment isn't going to run x86_64 Linux on their hardware?
<br><br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">> If the distro you use comes with Xen and management tools for Xen then
<br>> that is probably the best option.<br>><br>> All the distros with Xen hosting support are providing special kernels<br>> that have the giant patch sets applied to them.<br><br>I won't argue this point. I will say this: if the distro is confident
<br>enough to ship the software and is willing to support it with updates,<br>then it is better to stick with what your distro supports then start<br>mucking with your config and turn your machine into a "non-standard"
<br>box. I see quite a few people have trouble with linux because they<br>start with a nicely built distro and the first thing they do is start<br>pulling out tarballs of source and compiling software to install.</blockquote>
<div><br>I completely agree. My simple point is that Xen is what it is: not quite there yet. You might have better luck with something far less complicated like KVM.<br><br></div></div>