RE: Earle Beason, 07May07<br>I'm normally just a reader of KCLUG but, after reading that particular post, I'd like to put in my pocket change worth of comment.<br>I don't understand code either and am probably a "least common denominator user" but, after spending many years wrangling around with the Gates Empire software, it has been a joy and an education to work and play in the open source code world. Thanks to KCLUG and Oren Beck in particular, I have learned more about computing in less than a year than I ever did in the lifetime prior to my inroduction to Linux. I don't have any particular axe to grind concerning Windows, just the observation that, after experiencing both Windows and Ubuntu/Kubuntu Linux, I'll happily take Linux any day. In the short time I have been reading this digest I haven't really observed anything truly hateful directed at Bill Gates/Windows, just a variety of opinions and/or comparisons, so I feel that Earle's "nasty attitude about window users" comment both inaccurate and unjustified.
<br>And to everybody in the KCLUG community, thank you for your ongoing dedication to the spirit of freedom!<br>Rev C.E. Aldinger<br><a href="http://gonzogone@gmail.com">gonzogone@gmail.com</a><br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">
On 5/7/07, <b class="gmail_sendername"><a href="mailto:kclug-request@kclug.org">kclug-request@kclug.org</a></b> <<a href="mailto:kclug-request@kclug.org">kclug-request@kclug.org</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<br><br> 1. Job Opportunity (Steven Danz)<br> 2. Fwd: Ubuntu ShipIt (Justin Dugger)<br> 3. Re: Fwd: Ubuntu ShipIt (Jonathan Hutchins)<br> 4. Re: Ubuntu ShipIt (David Nicol)<br> 5. Re: Kclug Digest, Vol 34, Issue 3 (Earle Beason)
<br> 6. Re: Kclug Digest, Vol 34, Issue 3 (Jonathan Hutchins)<br> 7. Re: Ubuntu ShipIt (Monty J. Harder)<br> 8. Free to good home... (Steven Danz)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------
<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 13:29:34 -0500<br>From: Steven Danz <<a href="mailto:steven-danz@kc.rr.com">steven-danz@kc.rr.com</a>><br>Subject: Job Opportunity<br>To: kclug <<a href="mailto:kclug@kclug.org">
kclug@kclug.org</a>><br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:463F700E.8060802@kc.rr.com">463F700E.8060802@kc.rr.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<br><br>All,<br><br>For anyone looking for a Linux sys admin (and more) position, this just
<br>came up where I work:<br><br><a href="http://jobsearch.usajobs.opm.gov/jobsearch.asp?q=Aviation+Weather+Center&jbf574=CM54%2CCMXX&lid=17875&jbf522=&salmin=&salmax=&paygrademin=13&paygrademax=13&FedEmp=Y&tm=&sort=rv&vw=d&ss=0&brd=3876&FedPub=Y&caller=%2Fagency_search.asp&SUBMIT1.x=57&SUBMIT1.y=9&SUBMIT1=Search+for+Jobs">
http://jobsearch.usajobs.opm.gov/jobsearch.asp?q=Aviation+Weather+Center&jbf574=CM54%2CCMXX&lid=17875&jbf522=&salmin=&salmax=&paygrademin=13&paygrademax=13&FedEmp=Y&tm=&sort=rv&vw=d&ss=0&brd=3876&FedPub=Y&caller=%2Fagency_search.asp&SUBMIT1.x=57&SUBMIT1.y=9&SUBMIT1=Search+for+Jobs
</a><br><br>If you have any questions, just ask!<br><br>Steven<br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 14:14:40 -0500<br>From: "Justin Dugger" <<a href="mailto:jldugger@gmail.com">
jldugger@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: Fwd: Ubuntu ShipIt<br>To: KCLUG <<a href="mailto:kclug@kclug.org">kclug@kclug.org</a>><br>Message-ID:<br> <<a href="mailto:816bc7510705071214w74e309e6jf32efbbe41797b0@mail.gmail.com">
816bc7510705071214w74e309e6jf32efbbe41797b0@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>A few lunches ago, someone jokingly suggested putting an Ubuntu CD in every<br>dorm room as a way to get rid of
<br>all my spare CD-Rs I'm never gonna use. Since the people present were<br>receptive to the idea, I decided to follow up on it. The Ubuntu people<br>responded positively, but balked at the number we'd need.<br>
<br>So at this point we have a few choices:<br>* Make do with the 200 they've offered<br>* Make our own from CD-Rs and labels<br>* Ask for more from the right people within Ubuntu<br>* Find sponsorship from local and Ubuntu related interests (ie Canonical,
<br>maybe Dell)<br><br>So what's needed from the LUG now is opinions on the options, and of course<br>alternative suggestions.<br><br>Justin Dugger<br><br>On 5/7/07, Marilize Coetzee <<a href="mailto:info@shipit.ubuntu.com">
info@shipit.ubuntu.com</a> > wrote:<br>><br>> Hi Justin<br>><br>> Thank you for contacting us.<br>><br>> This is a wonderful idea, but unfortunately we cannot send you such a<br>> large number of CD's.
<br>> The best I can do is 200.<br>> If you are interested, place an order on Shipit and use my name as<br>> reason for ordering.<br>> <a href="https://shipit.ubuntu.com/">https://shipit.ubuntu.com/</a><br>>
<br>> Kind regards<br>> Marilize<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> Hi,<br>><br>> I'm a member of Kansas State University's LUG, and we were<br>> thinking<br>> about promoting Linux usage on campus via Ubuntu. Personally, I
<br>> use<br>> Ubuntu on all my computers and at the research lab, but our LUG<br>> is more<br>> diverse, involving gentoo devs and users of various other<br>> platforms.
<br>> Still, the entire LUG seems to agree that Ubuntu is a great<br>> match for<br>> people new to linux, and we've handed out Dapper and Breezy CDs<br>> at<br>> previous events.
<br>><br>> We're thinking of doing something far more massive, potentially<br>> using over a 1000 CDs. We'd like to see about getting an Ubuntu<br>> CD<br>> placed in the care package the dorms place in students rooms at
<br>> the<br>> beginning of the school year. Do you think our LUG needs to<br>> form a<br>> LoCo subgroup first to be considered for something on this<br>> scale? One
<br>> thing I want to avoid is converting our LUG into a tool to<br>> promote a<br>> single platform, even if it's very good for some of our purposes<br>> ^_^<br>><br>> I of course realize that this bulk request of CDs may be
<br>> rejected as<br>> inefficient and AOL-like. The original idea came up as a way to<br>> dispense with the bulk CDs we've all purchased but realized<br>> we'll<br>> never use, and it occurred to me that shipIt might be a viable
<br>> avenue<br>> for this, with excellent labels and inserts to boot.<br>><br>> Justin Dugger<br>><br>><br>><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
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<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 14:39:08 -0500<br>From: Jonathan Hutchins <<a href="mailto:hutchins@tarcanfel.org">hutchins@tarcanfel.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: Fwd: Ubuntu ShipIt<br>To: <a href="mailto:kclug@kclug.org">
kclug@kclug.org</a><br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:200705071439.08621.hutchins@tarcanfel.org">200705071439.08621.hutchins@tarcanfel.org</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-6<br><br>On Monday 07 May 2007 02:14:40 pm Justin Dugger wrote:
<br><br>> * Make do with the 200 they've offered<br><br>Why don't you start with 200 and see what kind of reception you get?<br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 4<br>Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 14:45:34 -0500
<br>From: "David Nicol" <<a href="mailto:davidnicol@gmail.com">davidnicol@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: Ubuntu ShipIt<br>To: "Justin Dugger" <<a href="mailto:jldugger@gmail.com">jldugger@gmail.com
</a>><br>Cc: KCLUG <<a href="mailto:kclug@kclug.org">kclug@kclug.org</a>><br>Message-ID:<br> <<a href="mailto:934f64a20705071245k72ba0160w146425cd6b1bfc2b@mail.gmail.com">934f64a20705071245k72ba0160w146425cd6b1bfc2b@mail.gmail.com
</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed<br><br>I don't understand how ordering a big stick of CDs from ubuntu central helps<br>you dispose of your spare blanks.<br><br>Does k-state have a bulk burning facility? UMKC does, or at least they used to.
<br>You could use that. In each care package could go some kind of little coupon --<br>"Take this coupon to room N at the wildcat center for your copy of the Ubuntu<br>linux distribution disk" -- with a picture of Tux.
<br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 5<br>Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 17:58:26 -0500<br>From: Earle Beason <<a href="mailto:Earle-Beason@kc.rr.com">Earle-Beason@kc.rr.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: Kclug Digest, Vol 34, Issue 3
<br>To: <a href="mailto:kclug@kclug.org">kclug@kclug.org</a><br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:463FAF12.70702@kc.rr.com">463FAF12.70702@kc.rr.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<br>
<br>WELL,<br> I usually one to promote free speech, however this is a travesty, I<br>would be one of those "LUSERS" who happen to be running a windows XP<br>(X3), Windows XP pro, Fedora 5 and Fedora 6 on different machines, Yes
<br>that 6 different computers. The wife and I are moving to an all Linux<br>powered network<br><br> Your nasty attitude about window users is exactly the crap the put<br>me off from Linux for over a decade. From what I have read on this
<br>forum, If I handed my 4 year old the keyboard she would still be more<br>productive then you at promoting Linux, mainly because she don't know<br>how to talk trash.<br> Both my wife are the so called "Least Common Denominator Users,"
<br>Quite frankly I don't understand Linux, I don't know how to code , I<br>don't know all the in and outs, however I am learning it as I go. What I<br>do know is that I can install Fedora, Ubuntna, and Suse, and then get
<br>open office to cover the applications, and livina to cover movies and<br>MP3s. With Linux seemingly o have everything built in I can google<br>warrior any problem and get it fixed. So far my job, friends and family<br>
are impressed with the Linux system I put on their computers. I even got<br>a dude I gave some computers to through craigslist, to format his drives<br>and purge the illegal copy of Microsoft XP, and load fedora 6; He is<br>
happy with Linux<br> At my job a twenty minute demonstration on a Linux laptop, got positive<br>responses. My boss and several of my coworkers are starting to play with<br>Linux, so far everyone has had good results in whatever application
<br>their running<br><br>I climb off my hate-box now and ask for you to STFU and try doing<br>something productive like educating all the poor who have illegal copies<br>of Microsoft, on using a Linux system. You might find the "Least Common
<br>Denominator Users," are actually pretty intelligent people who are<br>unaccustomed to the power of a Linux Machine and just need to be clued in<br><br>Earle<br><br><br><a href="mailto:kclug-request@kclug.org">kclug-request@kclug.org
</a> wrote:<br><br>>Send Kclug mailing list submissions to<br>> <a href="mailto:kclug@kclug.org">kclug@kclug.org</a><br>><br>>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> <a href="http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug">
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><br>><br>>Today's Topics:<br>><br>> 1. Motherboard/Processor combo on ebay (Joe Brouhard)<br>> 2. What SuSE users think (Jonathan Hutchins)<br>> 3. Re: What SuSE users think (Oren Beck)<br>
> 4. Re: What SuSE users think (Jonathan Hutchins)<br>> 5. Re: What SuSE users think (Jared Jennings)<br>><br>><br>>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>><br>>Message: 1
<br>>Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 19:15:57 -0500<br>>From: "Joe Brouhard" <<a href="mailto:jbrouhard@gmail.com">jbrouhard@gmail.com</a>><br>>Subject: Motherboard/Processor combo on ebay<br>>To: <a href="mailto:kclug@kclug.org">
kclug@kclug.org</a>, <a href="mailto:ubuntu-kc@googlegroups.com">ubuntu-kc@googlegroups.com</a><br>>Message-ID:<br>> <<a href="mailto:a4f82ebc0705061715v1b1c27a0icce9b9dfd5fc9b55@mail.gmail.com">a4f82ebc0705061715v1b1c27a0icce9b9dfd5fc9b55@mail.gmail.com
</a>><br>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<br>><br>>Just a FYI.. i'm selling a motherboard/processor combo on ebay. The<br>>reserve price is at $70.<br>><br>><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330117037913&rd=1&rd=1">
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330117037913&rd=1&rd=1</a><br>><br>><br>><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 6
<br>Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 18:21:27 -0500<br>From: Jonathan Hutchins <<a href="mailto:hutchins@tarcanfel.org">hutchins@tarcanfel.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: Kclug Digest, Vol 34, Issue 3<br>To: <a href="mailto:kclug@kclug.org">
kclug@kclug.org</a><br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:200705071821.27623.hutchins@tarcanfel.org">200705071821.27623.hutchins@tarcanfel.org</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1<br><br>On Monday 07 May 2007 05:58:26 pm Earle Beason wrote:
<br><br>> Quite frankly I don't understand Linux, I don't know how to code , I<br>> don't know all the in and outs, however I am learning it as I go.<br><br>I guess I've been very unclear about this. No, you're not a "luser". You're
<br>willing to learn. (In fact, I suspect that learning may be one of the<br>reasons you're into Linux.)<br><br>The people I mean to express scorn for are the people who come into support<br>channels on IRC and say things like "Don't tell me to use the console, I
<br>don't want anything to do with text mode".<br><br>I meant to point out a certain stage of learning and development common to the<br>average SuSE user in that they still rely on Windows. I, myself, was at that
<br>stage for about six years while I ran Linux professionally on text-only<br>servers, and I'm still a bit of a newb when it comes to some of the GUI<br>stuff.<br><br>People who are willing to learn a little, and who want their computer to do
<br>what _they_ want to do, not what what some corporate shill thinks they should<br>want to do are the people who should run Linux.<br><br>There will always be people who shouldn't run Linux though. Some of them try
<br>because it's a free way to pirate and run Windows games. They have no<br>interest in how the system works or what it's doing, they just want to click<br>and go.<br><br>I don't consider Windows users undesirables. I don't hate people because they
<br>use Windows. There are some users who I really think shouldn't user Linux<br>because they really aren't willing to learn anything new, and those people<br>should use Windows.<br><br><br>------------------------------
<br><br>Message: 7<br>Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 21:10:38 -0500<br>From: "Monty J. Harder" <<a href="mailto:mjharder@gmail.com">mjharder@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: Ubuntu ShipIt<br>To: "David Nicol" <
<a href="mailto:davidnicol@gmail.com">davidnicol@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc: KCLUG <<a href="mailto:kclug@kclug.org">kclug@kclug.org</a>><br>Message-ID:<br> <<a href="mailto:97ef72660705071910g3d7d2f63ka38d13477708dce6@mail.gmail.com">
97ef72660705071910g3d7d2f63ka38d13477708dce6@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>On 5/7/07, David Nicol <<a href="mailto:davidnicol@gmail.com">davidnicol@gmail.com</a>
> wrote:<br>><br>> In each care package could go some kind of little coupon --<br>> "Take this coupon to room N at the wildcat center for your copy of the<br>> Ubuntu<br>> linux distribution disk" -- with a picture of Tux.
<br><br><br><br>I like this. We got a bunch of *ubuntu disks for ITEC, but people had to<br>come to the booth and indicate interest in Linux. It's not like we stuck<br>them under windshield wipers in the Wal-Mart parking lot.
<br><br>The coupon should also say that you're not just getting the disk, you're<br>getting a network of people who will help you learn how to install,<br>configure, and use it. That's the extra that you don't get when you buy
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<br>To: <a href="mailto:kclug@kclug.org">kclug@kclug.org</a><br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:463FEAB9.5020706@kc.rr.com">463FEAB9.5020706@kc.rr.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
<br><br><br>I have a 'standard' 79" tall server rack that I need to clear out of the<br>garage for anyone that wants to come get it. Solid panels on three sides<br>with two power strips and a fan in the top. I'm located down around
<br>Stanley, just south of OP.<br><br>Steven<br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Kclug mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Kclug@kclug.org">Kclug@kclug.org</a><br>
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