<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 1/5/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Jared</b> <<a href="mailto:jared@hatwhite.com">jared@hatwhite.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
> I haven't found anything significant that was available, or more current, in<br>> Gentoo than in *buntu and in Mandriva. Better yet, the binary packages work<br>> when installed, and I don't get stuck in a dependency upgrade lock because
<br>> some required file won't build or isn't the right version.<br><br>Sigh. We must run such criticism through the JH filter, and see<br>if anything survives. (ie. it could be an email from someone<br>who Just Hates everything he doesn't understand). Thus, if he
<br>doesn't like Gentoo, it's possibly because he couldn't get it<br>running, not because it has any flaws. For example:<br><br>> Nobody should kid themselves that using emerge is anything like building LFS,
<br>> compiling and installing from a tarball, or the best practice, building your<br>> own binary .deb or .rpm files. Those tasks will teach you useful things<br>> about your system. Gentoo will just teach you to hate it because it's always
<br>> broken.<br><br>Let's look carefully at the logic here. Logically, this is comparing<br>binary .deb and .rpm scripts with "using emerge".<br><br>Not a fair comparison. This is two different classes. Why not
<br>compare "creating ebuild scripts" and "building .deb or .rpm"?<br>Emerge is only "always broken" to people who don't know how to<br>fix it, same as anywhere else.<br><br>So the true underlying question, having filtered the noise out:
<br>If you want to learn useful things about your system, do you want<br>to study source or pre-compiled binaries?<br><br>Leaerning "useful things about your system" does not come<br>from installing binary pre-compiled packages, HALF as much
<br>as it comes from installing from source. Yes, it's more<br>difficult to master. So?<br><br>Gentoo. Smooth, and like a rock. And very very fast, managed<br>by people who know what they're doing.<br><br>Look, I know VERY LITTLE, and I'm comfortable with Gentoo. It's
<br>not that I know a lot, it's simply that I do not despise what I<br>do not know. Debian is still my favorite, even though it's "always<br>broken." And Suse is what's on my dual-boot box, only because
<br>I haven't figured out how to get rid of it without clobbering<br>the Windows partition. And none of these I despise. :)<br><br>Oh, and here is what EDOS says about packages. You'll see that<br>"always broken" is not specific to any single flavor of Linux.
<br><br><a href="http://www.edos-project.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/PackageOverview">http://www.edos-project.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/PackageOverview</a><br><br>-Jared<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>
Kclug mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Kclug@kclug.org">Kclug@kclug.org</a><br><a href="http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug">http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug</a></blockquote><div><br><br>This thread raises a bigger question by where it's gone and NOT examined.
<br>The "WHY" a given distro or project gets left so far behind that we have to migrate. <br>Not one of the usual fates of maintainer/s give up- though at the end of my look at this I offer a reason and cure- but an overall query. Absent something so much better coming along that really obsoletes the "FOO" one is migrating from to the "BAR" that is so much better- Why do otherwise workable schemes go west?
<br><br>One of my best discussion points is asking someone to compare PINE to Thunderbird. <br><br>That's going to be a seperate rant.<br></div><br></div>I have been trying to follow what's being used for logic by the folks in this thread.
<br>Some VERY good points on different aspects are being made.<br>Then again- I am able to see both the ubergeek thrill of low level DIY and the comfort that "appliance operation" can bring. Not to deprecate either extreme. just to mention that there's a risk in these threads of polarity. Those who have found a comfortable niche tend to stick in it. And others seek more. I guess a certain bipolar streak defines where my comfort is. There ARE times when riding the bleeding edge of alpha releases can be a kick. Then there's a time for "it just works"
<br><br>Let's all do our part to make that "just plain works" user experience the default one.<br>I mean- how many of us are feeding back bug info ? A sincere attaboy to those of us who are. And an even more sincere plea- if you are not- start doing so!
<br>Because if we do the chances of a distro or concept getting orphaned decreases and these migrations become less frequent.<br><br>