KCLUG Digest, Vol 87, Issue 4

Jack quiet_celt at yahoo.com
Thu Nov 17 00:19:45 CST 2011 

Yes, that was my original feeling, when doing my own searching.

Well, I guess our final project will be an Android game App. Seems to be a bit more open and Free as in freedom and beer, although I'm sure there's a cost there to deploy also.

Can't say, I'm not surprised that an Apple solution would be excruciating from the outside. 

releasing an app could always be done the Hackintosh way, but there's still all that pain just getting there.

With Android and my "course", he'll learn a little: Linux, HTML5, CSS, javascript, Java, and some Android development. Along with math and physics and such.


A bit better rounded. Still, there's that huge closed, pay to play, market. Who knows, Android may be the shot in the arm FOSS needs to build a really huge base.

Thanks everyone, your comments, as always are enlightening and useful.


Jack


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From: Richard Allen <rsaxvc at gmail.com>
To: kclug at kclug.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: KCLUG Digest, Vol 87, Issue 4


It is *mostly* possible, but a ton of work. You have to build apple's gcc, which is no fun on another OS. Also as stated you must copy those frameworks.
On Nov 16, 2011 12:00 PM,  <kclug-request at kclug.org> wrote:

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>  1. Re: iOS application on Linux (Mike Dupont)
>  2. RE: iOS application on Linux
>     (Kelsay, Brian - OCIO-ITS, Kansas City, MO)
>  3. Re: iOS application on Linux (John McPherson)
>  4. Re: iOS application on Linux (Chris Bier)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 09:05:21 +0100
>From: Mike  Dupont <jamesmikedupont at googlemail.com>
>To: "Christofer C. Bell" <christofer.c.bell at gmail.com>
>Cc: Kclug <kclug at kclug.org>
>Subject: Re: iOS application on Linux
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>here is what I found so far:
>http://code.google.com/p/cocotron/
>The Cocotron is a cross-platform implementation of Objective-C API's
>similar to Foundation and AppKit
>
>On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Christofer C. Bell
><christofer.c.bell at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Jack <quiet_celt at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Anyone know if one can write AND deploy iOS applications from Linux?
>>
>> Not really. ?If you're programming for iOS, you're writing against the
>> UI that iOS provides. ?Linux doesn't provide the same user interface.
>> That said, Objective-C is available for both.
>>
>> Debian (and derivatives): gobjc
>> Fedora (and derivatives): libobjc
>>
>>> Anyone ever used PhoneGap in Linux?
>>
>> Never heard of it.
>>
>>> Best iPhone/iPad emulator?
>>
>> The one that comes with the iOS SDK.
>> http://developer.apple.com/devcenter/ios/index.action
>>
>>> Cheap Apple development box?
>>
>> A Mac mini.
>> http://www.apple.com/macmini/
>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jack
>>
>> --
>> Chris
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>Message: 2
>Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 13:46:13 +0000
>From: "Kelsay, Brian - OCIO-ITS, Kansas City, MO"
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>To: Kclug <kclug at kclug.org>
>Subject: RE: iOS application on Linux
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>According to my local Mac Guru, he agrees that the Mac Mini is the cheapest way to get into iOS development (~$600).  The iOS SDK is free. You would also need to pay for a dev acct to be able to submit completed programs to the App Store ($100).  This is needed even if you build an app and release it for free.
>
>Brian Kelsay
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: On Behalf Of Christofer C. Bell
>Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 5:54 PM
>Subject: Re: iOS application on Linux
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>On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Jack  wrote:
>
>
>> Anyone know if one can write AND deploy iOS applications from Linux?
>
>Not really.  If you're programming for iOS, you're writing against the
>UI that iOS provides.  Linux doesn't provide the same user interface.
>That said, Objective-C is available for both.
>
>Debian (and derivatives): gobjc
>Fedora (and derivatives): libobjc
>
>> Anyone ever used PhoneGap in Linux?
>
>Never heard of it.
>
>> Best iPhone/iPad emulator?
>
>The one that comes with the iOS SDK.
>http://developer.apple.com/devcenter/ios/index.action
>
>> Cheap Apple development box?
>
>A Mac mini.
>http://www.apple.com/macmini/
>
>> Thanks,
>> Jack
>
>--
>Chris
>
>
>
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>Message: 3
>Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 09:26:55 -0600
>From: John McPherson <xeniphon at gmail.com>
>To: Kclug <kclug at kclug.org>
>Subject: Re: iOS application on Linux
>Message-ID: <8C8155D1-E42C-42A9-B131-FC82A96B583A at gmail.com>
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>If you have a PC and patience, you could try to put MacOS on a PC.  Of course if you are one of those folks who actually reads the EULA then this isn't likely an option;  www.osx86project.org
>
>
>On Nov 16, 2011, at 7:46 AM, Kelsay, Brian - OCIO-ITS, Kansas City, MO wrote:
>
>> According to my local Mac Guru, he agrees that the Mac Mini is the cheapest way to get into iOS development (~$600).  The iOS SDK is free. You would also need to pay for a dev acct to be able to submit completed programs to the App Store ($100).  This is needed even if you build an app and release it for free.
>>
>> Brian Kelsay
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: On Behalf Of Christofer C. Bell
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 5:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: iOS application on Linux
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Jack  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Anyone know if one can write AND deploy iOS applications from Linux?
>>
>> Not really.  If you're programming for iOS, you're writing against the
>> UI that iOS provides.  Linux doesn't provide the same user interface.
>> That said, Objective-C is available for both.
>>
>> Debian (and derivatives): gobjc
>> Fedora (and derivatives): libobjc
>>
>>> Anyone ever used PhoneGap in Linux?
>>
>> Never heard of it.
>>
>>> Best iPhone/iPad emulator?
>>
>> The one that comes with the iOS SDK.
>> http://developer.apple.com/devcenter/ios/index.action
>>
>>> Cheap Apple development box?
>>
>> A Mac mini.
>> http://www.apple.com/macmini/
>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jack
>>
>> --
>> Chris
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>Message: 4
>Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:22:31 -0600
>From: Chris Bier <chris.bier at cymor.com>
>To: KCLUG <kclug at kclug.org>
>Cc: Kclug <kclug at kclug.org>
>Subject: Re: iOS application on Linux
>Message-ID: <20111116162231.GO6623 at bwv846.cymor.com>
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>You might want to take a look at this mobile platform framework list:
>http://www.markus-falk.com/mobile-frameworks-comparison-chart/
>
>On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 09:02:45PM -0800, Jack wrote:
>> Thanks Chris,
>>
>> What I really meant was what is the best development environment on Linux. I'm aware the best environment is on Macs with the official SDK.
>> Deploying, would really just have been a bonus.
>> I have no desire to write iPhone Apps, but my grandson might. He's not in a financial situation to go and buy a Mac or even get a
>>
>> developer license from Apple. I myself am disinclined to obtain said tools for him. A truly cheap Mac, I might be willing to buy.
>> Cheap as in older, used, discarded, PC hardware, cheap.
>>
>> I've known about the Objective-C compiler in GNU for years. I've seen the iphone-dev site,
>> which seems abandoned, and thus was not sure even what level of development is possible in Linux.
>>
>> Was not sure about the VM capabilities either. I have no intentions of clicking through any Apple EULA/NDA. Especially considering the DOJs latest stand on things.
>>
>>
>> I would allow my underage grandson to do such, except now the DOJ is calling him (and every US minor) a criminal who should be prosecuted,
>>
>> simply due to the fact: they are minors, the CFAA, and Google's TOS.
>>
>>
>> For those, new to the story, the DOJ says it's a crime to violate the TOS of a website. Google's TOS forbid minors, because they cannot legally enter into a contract.
>> Hence any minor can't legally use Google without becoming a felon per CFAA. I'm pretty sure just about every teen in America has used Google.
>>
>>
>> http://www.google.com/accounts/TOS
>>
>> "2.3  You may not use the Services and may not accept the
>> Terms if (a) you are not of legal age to form a binding contract with
>> Google, or (b) you are a person barred from receiving the Services under the laws of the United States or other countries including the country
>> in which you are resident or from which you use the Services."
>>
>> Brilliant.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Jack
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Christofer C. Bell <christofer.c.bell at gmail.com>
>> To: Jack <quiet_celt at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: Kclug <kclug at kclug.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 5:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: iOS application on Linux
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Jack <quiet_celt at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > Anyone know if one can write AND deploy iOS applications from Linux?
>>
>> Not really.? If you're programming for iOS, you're writing against the
>> UI that iOS provides.? Linux doesn't provide the same user interface.
>> That said, Objective-C is available for both.
>>
>> Debian (and derivatives): gobjc
>> Fedora (and derivatives): libobjc
>>
>> > Anyone ever used PhoneGap in Linux?
>>
>> Never heard of it.
>>
>> > Best iPhone/iPad emulator?
>>
>> The one that comes with the iOS SDK.
>> http://developer.apple.com/devcenter/ios/index.action
>>
>> > Cheap Apple development box?
>>
>> A Mac mini.
>> http://www.apple.com/macmini/
>>
>> > Thanks,
>> > Jack
>>
>> --
>> Chris
>
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